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This video discusses both lifestyle and mindset and why I believe it’s primarily responsible for some (not all!) players not enjoying World of Warcraft the way they used to; from growing up to a lack of free time, the game having more of a formualic/seasonal approach to optimising the game to death. I ask the question: What has changed more, the game or you?
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Phenomenal video! I have been playing wow hardcore since WoD, raiding and doing raids for gold. But I've burned out during BfA.
Year ago I somehow decided to return but only with one rule in mind – no hardcore. So, I started to play casually and… oh boy, what a joy it is! Understanding that everything will eventually end, and you don't need to be "the first" to play is amazing. I slowly reading quests, talk to people, do LfR and M+ and feeling that I am doing all right, no pressure. I have good gear, I see the story and all the content at my own pace. Simply great .
Same problem was with Plunderstorm. People were forcing themselves to play it for "rewards", they don't understand that playing it itself was a reward. Uhh
I can relate to optimizing the fun out of a game. Once that happens, the game is virtually a job at that point.
I definitely still think retail is fun, but I’ll admit that I don’t enjoy playing classic because how I approach the game is not the same as it was when those expansions were first released. Retail WoW is great, but it’s not the same game it was because games evolve, and some people want that and others want the thing they love to always stay the same. Can’t please everyone
the players optimised a lot of fun things out of the game, but blizzard doubled down on that mentalilty and cater to it. As you said, mythic raids being heavily overtuned for the race to world first its just pointless to 99.9% of the player base.
WoW should never be an esport, if the game is good then people will watch it regardless but forcing it to fit an esports mould just turns into an evironment where something like Archon can even be considered worth making.
Very interesting and true video on the situation and the ageing of the first players. I gave myself a bit too much to the end game when I was younger, in terms of raids and guild management. And my time has become more and more precious with working life and its responsibilities.
So I couldn't agree more on this state of affairs, which some naysayers seem to overlook or don't want to admit.
In my case, I continue to play WoW solely for the immersion of the universe and its narrative content, capturing in images my journey, the quests, the landscape… that's what motivates me most to continue this adventure with Blizzard entertainment. As for the end game, I now prefer to focus on PvP as an element of challenge, which I find less stressful than raiding or mythic+.
I have had such a great time playing the game in the 12ish years I've been a part of it using an extremely simple method: I don't play if I'm not having fun. Even in the worst times there is almost always something to do, and when there isn't I'm fine with taking a break for a few months.
Eh, can't relate. I play the game like 3 months each year and have a lot of fun. Its delusional to pay 12 months and hope every month is gonna give you satisfcation.
I am an Old. As a lass in her 40s I was NOT a kid when WoW came out. I was in college and working a part time job. I had less free time then than I do now. But I still loved WoW because it felt like a huge virtual world I could get lost in and explore. Every achievement felt meaningful, even just leveling up, because questing and the world were dangerous. Leveling was part of the journey, not the lobby you waited in until endgame.
When Classic came out I enjoyed that very much, just like I did when I was young. I appreciated it even more as an older gamer. But since the game is so well known now it really got min/maxxed to death. People can get booted from content for NOT being engineers and this was content we were all able to clear back in the day as much more clueless gamers with worse internet connections and dumber addons. I dunno, it's sad.
That thumb nail is cheating 😂😂😂
Bald man?
surely M+ will be removed after AWW, right guys ? …riight?
I'm having fun though
I have fun
You just put into words everything I've been thinking about WoW for years now.
Just to clarify, I still do enjoy WoW and this video does not apply to all WoW players. It's obvious that so many people still really love WoW. This video is designed to be thought-provoking and attempt to explore why some people may not enjoy it anymore. With all my videos I try to stay mostly objective and echo the consensus to discuss about, rather than make a pure opinion piece where there's no room for anything else. It's all in the balance.
simply, younger, innocent, clueless
1- for younger ppl, every experience have more emotions and surprise envoling on this, because its the first time
(You can't step into the same river twice)
2- Clueless ppl can enjoy things without needing to think things outside the game
(your mind is focusing in enjoying, not worrying)
3- social aspect back in the day is important cause we dont have social media like those days
( game works as a GTA rp but with magic and orc in the past, also, works like a facebook but instead of a feed, its a world)
I've played wow since launch and I mostly only play classic and sometimes retail. I love the early to mid level progression. Just leveling does it for me so I make tons of alts.
My current goal is to make enough alts with all thr professions and basically make all my gear solo. I love soloing classic at a slow pace.
I'm likely an outlier player. I picked it up when I was 16, played day/night ever since on my own schedule. School didn't get in the way, nor did work (worked from home). The game changed, not me.
I used to read quests, collect transmog, then SL came out and they just added what felt like 100s of recolours which were all too tedious to grind for. Compared to hitting exalted and buying 4- 5 recoloured mounts for 2K each. You'd grind once a week RNG WQs or NPC spawns… just stupid. Just to keep you subscribed.
It moved away from being able to grind and achieve your goal for the effort you put in, to the game gatekeeping objectives from you.
I have fun on private server. Retail is expensive and bloated af
I played from Vanilla to WoD before quitting. I now set up a private vanilla server to play with my wife and kids. It is still as much fun as I remember. Much more than I enjoyed everything after Wrath.
1. I do have fun:
– Good storylines (when they are good)
– Incredible music and art
– Challenges such as myth raiding
– I just like pressing buttons
2. I don't have fun when the game design is bad. Good thing now it's improving.
I completely agree about people taking the game much too seriously and feeling like they MUST play the game in this gotta-go-fast efficiency-minded way, and that Mythic+ and high end raiding is all the game has to offer. I've thought about doing a video on this myself to remind people that you can play the game however you want and it has much more to offer than those things. I will say though that the game is far from perfect and Blizzard does encourage these behaviors themselves (for example, why does Chromie Time become unavailable the moment you hit 60? Let people play in whatever expansion they want!), and I hope it's something Blizzard addresses in the future, as the director has recently said that they hope to reach more casual and midcore players in the future.
This video also applies to myself and FFXIV. The main talking points are borderline spot on!
People who say that modern WoW is too easy or easier than it used to be straight up don't know what they're talking about and have never played any actual end game progression content.
Great video man
8:27 I defiled mine
hated every moment of tbc classic.
I only play the game to be competitive and I love it.