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I feel like bliz story devs are watching this and taking notes
Man some people watch soap operas for decades. We have WOW. Gl 8th expansion see ya when ya get here.
So the problem with blizzard is the keep making the same mistake, change, there where really cool ways that I could take the old lore and make it fit with the new path that are on without changing everthing but it's not that easy and they would have to admit that this was not the plan all along and Blizzard are bloody terrible at putting up their hands and admitting their wrong.
For blizzard it will always be, were sorry YOU got the wrong idea, that YOU were mistaken, we always mean this it's just that YOU didnt see it even when it's clear to all the have done such a hard 180 that people not even on earth are asking why they suddenly have whiplash.
21:29 what if when we saw that energy wave brake out of the helm as it was broken wasn't the only thing to come rushing out and somewhere in the shadowlands is a really ticked off orc bidding his time and regaining his strength?
feels so underwhelming learning that all the lore and all the actions of legendary baddies were just as peons and not as the madmen they were written as.
the fact tha they chase the high cosmic lore causes so many rewrites, rather than just…. making a consistent and well written one from the ground.
The problem with this video is that it was created under the ASSUMPTION that the jailer is the one influencing the lich king. Because of that assumption, I guess we are just supposed to throw out WoTLK. Blizzard clearly meant for The Lich King and Yogg Saron to be connected in some way. What if it's Yogg, and not the Jailor that is the real influencer of the lich king. What if Yogg has been working with the dreadlords longer than the jailer. What if Yogg is the one that had the dreadlords steal the plague of undeath, and that's why the nurubians architecture resembles that of maldraxas. What if blizzard is making new lore not to overwrite old lore, but to connect it. Why does Terenas quote Yogg when Arthas dies? Why does bolvar insist on becoming the next lich king? It is confirmed that proximity to Saronite can drive people mad, and that you will begin to hear the whispers of Yogg. Icecrown is made of saronite. Bolvar was held and tortured in Icecrown. What if Bolvar was corrupted by Yogg, and that is why he insists on taking up the helm of domination, and maybe that's why they played Yogg's theme in that scene. We shouldn't throw out the old lore just because we don't know how it connects to new lore.
I with the construction of ICC, is it possible that they use the saronite to construct it because it was readily available in the region?
There are several saronite mines that we know of just in icecrown alone.
So did the jailer called kel'thuzad his friend or was it arthas?
EVERYTHING
There is only one who want to undo all the titans did.
I think it’s relevant to mention that if you’re in the Shadowmoon Burial Grounds dungeon and die on Ner’Zhul, the portal that leads back to his room says “Enter the Shadowlands”. Which means that Ner’Zhul had knowledge of the Shadowlands, or at least of the power that comes from it before he ever departed Draenor
That’s all really interesting! Some great insights and research. Do the vast majority of Horde and Alliance actually know that Bolvar is still alive and became the Lich King? I remember Bolvar asking Tirion to tell everyone that he had fallen
So this is part 3 of your Shadowland lore about Jailor and Lichking stuff.
I still puzzled about Lich King Bolvar. In DK quest line he is portraited to be even more sinister than Arthas ever was when he got the helmet. But from you previous video you seems to implied that Bolvar was a "good" Lich King. So how he actually. I have not played WOW after legion so I am not sure how bad Bolvar actually is.
Also didn't Arthas also worked for Yog in WOTLK? If he is also under total control of the Jailor, why would Jailor want to works with the Old Gods (from what I understand they are fragment of the Void across spread the universe just to consume). As you said above Blizz may have changed direction from WOTLK to Shadowland. But even then using the new lore as the "canon" information still so bad and many many plot holes
I don't really buy that reasoning to cover up Blizzard retconing stuff and inconsistency. Instead of making the new lore to fits with pre-establishing narrative, Blizzard changed the old narrative to fits with the new lore. The longer this goes on, the more investment in the lore will be gone and more contradiction will appear. People can't just put their brain away and accept the inconsistency just for the sake of it. It really makes Arthas as the villain much weaker as he is now just a pawn. Everything built up to him and why people like him as a villain is now getting scrapped away just by the idea that he wasn't in control as in it was in the chronicle. I am pretty sure at that time Jailor didn't exists either in Blizzard mind and it was meant to be the real Arthas thought and experienced as the Lich King. Which is why it is so impactful that we finally defeated him and put an ends to the story began in W3 that everyone love
13:33 "I have a bad feeling about this…"
Speaking of handling old lore as an IP moves to cookie cutter factory status: I still haven't seen Star Wars episode 9 after how Disney "recontexualized" Luke. He went from "I can feel the good in you, father" to 'Die nephew who has good in him I cannot feel!'
I will say, I can at least make some sense of Sylvanas abandoning Azeroth. Why keep butchering the living to maintain your bodies when you can just rule death?
We know there are sites in Maldraxxus where the light or the void tried to invade the Shadowlands and were beaten back.
Perhaps Yogg Saron was the Old God behind the Void invasions of the Shadowlands. He could have seen himself as the rightful god of death, and sought to conquer it.
To that end, created the Nerubians as his army in that invasion… he’d need them to be resistant to the powers of the place he was invading… explaining that.
As for Nerubian architecture… there is that rebellion. The Nerubians betrayed Yogg Saron, and may either have had help from Maldraxxus in doing so… or simply taken on as much of Maldraxxus’ style after the rebellion as a way of separating further from their maker.
And if Yogg Saron had some particular power or resonance with death as a result – that made him better able to invade the shadowlands than other old gods – then his blood would be ideal for piercing the veil- for building a bridge to the shadowlands.
So. Yeah. Every one of these plot holes is actually pretty easy to patch.
I think that's why I'm coming back I love the whole Lich King story and everything behind it.
I jist watched changes everything, asmongold reaction. It was.. AHMAZIN!
Personally would have liked if they went back to the old lore of the old gods of their power level. Just replace the jailer with yogg and make the one on azeroth an avatar which would then make you think about the other 3. I personally just think the old gods were oozing personalities but were done dirty
Let's just take a moment to laugh at the fact that every cosmic horror we kill ends up in the Shadowlands. Gonna be awful funny when we get down there and run into C'thun for the billionth time.
Yog looked covered on chains
He maybe the avatar of said jailer
but what bugs me is where did sylvannas get information to know that breaking the helm gives access to the maw?
"We used to think…" You mean, they reconned lore AGAIN? Noooo, not Blizzard!