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A review of a much troubled spec from BFA. great fun to play but covered in deeper issues that prevent it from being very popular as well as very competitive (and often these two go hand in hand).
Let’s look at what changes in Shadowlands and if anything, if at all, looks better:
0:00 Intro
0:50 Basics
2:50 Rotation
4:40 Legendaries & Covenants
6:28 BFA Borrowed Powers
8:30 Closing Positive Thoughts
9:07 The BAD: 1) Poor Changes
10:03 Mastery&Rotation Problems
12:35 Scaling (again)
14:10 Talents & Synergy
15:45 Talent&Conduit Choice
18:06 Honestly, WW’s issues
19:55 Conclusion
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Opinions vary…
I’ve been waiting for this video! As WW main I’m sad that the problems are likely to stay but I’m hopeful for positive changes to come soon.
what is that combat text addon he is using? and thanks in advance
Wtf. Being encouraged to not spam an ability multiple times in a row is awesome and super unique. WW never gets boring.
Yes there are those moments where it’s frustrating because you have nothing to press that “FeELss GoOD” but 90% of you’re playing correctly that won’t happen that often.
Tip: Gotta learn to look for those opportunities to dump your Chi in an effective way and get back to a clean 0 Chi to help keep up your master easier.
I get some people don’t like it but I don’t think there’s a more engaging melee spec in the game. I think that’s worth the occasional “feels bad man” moment. 90% awesome and 10% frustrating is way better imo than 90% meh and 10% awesome like most specs.
Still not recommended to use Xuen and SEF together as SEF has a bug reducing the damage of the Tiger Lightning. Use them separately to be optimal
why dont they just get rid of energy costs on crane and tp and just let you weave freely and adjust the specs damage accordingly?
You mentioned expel harm deals "decent dmg" , on prepatch with 20k hp it does barelly 100dmg. for 15s cd you think this is decent dmg ?
theres really nothing i hate more than casting shit as a melee like chi burst and shit
WW issues are scaling and ST performance. They struggle to fix the latter because WW already has very scary burst in PvP and could easily become OP. The solution is to add scaling and raw damage to their abilities which are not part of their burst window. For example: Tiger Palm crits cause your next blackout kick to be free and cause 50% more damage.
And now they gave us a 5% aura buff – Meanwhile your clones haven't been casting Tiger Palm for months now which often results in them doing less damage than intended because they break their own mastery. They should fix the fucking bugs and not give us a passive damage increase, haha.
Thanks as always for your video. I recently converted my Brewmaster to a Windwalker, so this was a useful bit of perspective. Luckily, I'm not trying to push particularly difficult content with him. I look forward to the next one!
its thrash
Sad…but still I really love the spec. Its fun, its hard, its fast, got amazing utility, you can do amazing things with ring of peace, maybe the best dueling class, the best movility in the whole game, fast and goods cds, good visuals, good sounds
…and you got brewmaster and mistweaver.
But not sure still if I gonna main this or my good old feral. Hope both get tweaks.
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Buffing WW spells by 5% when we are the lowest. Okay nice.
Others get higher % buffs. What are they smoking.
I really wonder what numbers and data they look at. WW needed at least 40% to even be avarage (:
ww monk is an amazing pvp spec like feral. I dont think there is anything wrong with having a few specs that are just good in pvp
The real difference between BFA and SL is that expel harm does not generate chi anymore which is a pretty massive nerf
I dont get why WW has such bad scaling. Xuen scales off mastery, so a flat out %damage is a good legendary. I guess I dont understand why %damage increase isnt good. As you gear, it would just seem to get better since it scales off all your gear.
They need to take ascension out of the talent trees and make it baseline. The spec plays so much better with Ascension. Thats how it should always feel because without it, it feels bad and clunky and screws up the flow and subsequently, your mastery
If FoF does tick dmg like DH EyeBeam, that would be amazing..
Why are you guys so strong in pvp though?
what does "borrowed power" means? ty
Invoke Joanne, the White Tiger
One thing – Expel Harm is actually worth using in main rotation, it has an excellent Energy/Chi ratio and Tiger Palm doesnt do that much damage to begin with.
Overall many seem to ignore EH but it's more than niche. Counts towards Mastery, best Chi generator, can be used during movement and mechanics, prevents Chi decay.
Also, while I'd love an extra spender like SotWL back, the periods when maij abilities are down and you want to dump Chi isn't unsatisfying, at least for me. I find planning ahead what will I slot in between BoKs fairly engaging and probably the only moment when Mastery really matters.
wait did u just say dance of chi ji is terrible?– what? lol that proc does insane damage combined with chi explosion ive been pushing keys on beta.
I am looking to use WW primarily for PvP, don't think I would use WW for PvE. For PvE I am definitely going Mistweaver. Thanks for the video.
I use mw gear as ww and it does so much better with haste and mastery
I find it extremely hard to believe WW is in a fairly ok state when I look at the numbers and see a MM hunter out of CD in the same video dealing 3 times WW's damage in SEF.
What's so hard about changint 2 talent rows, debugging a spell or reworking it entirely.
I've been playing WW since MOP and now is the first time I dump for another class and it pains ms. I really wanted to stick to my class but it is so depressing to look at its state currently.
Thanks for the video. I need to collect as much info, and WW has so little out there that seems reliable. Gaining a bit more knowledge is going to help.
WW is made for arena/PvP players imo, much like Arms warrior. Its whole kit revolves around pvp.
That was rough to hear since ww is fun to play.off topic and really just a nit pick at the class but why tf don't they give zen flight the ability to scale flying..its so slow make it scale id love to cruise on my cloud than walking fast than it.great vid man
Flat 1 second CDR on BOK is not an example of bad scaling. It's an example of good scaling because the abilities that it reduces are both hasted, so the relative reduction will be greater.
It’s funny watching this from the perspective of a PvP monk.
Hey! what's the name of the addon for that scrolling dmg text?
Speak louder bro
I dont have a problem with how the spec plays, forcing you to use a different ability keeps you paying attention to what you're doing, honestly I feel the spec just needs more damage and its done.