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World of Warcraft Shadowlands Chains of Domination shows us the sigils of the Eternal Ones, is there more to the Sigils in WoW Shadowlands Patch 9.1?
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We need to pay more attention to the domination magic runes on the primus' scarf and tattooed on the jailer's body
imso very bored of always being able to overcome every obsticle time and time again ,. oh its an old god ,. blat er whats next oh its a titan – blat NEXT death its self ,. BLAT next er er void lo…. blat next ! scripts are overplayed ,. time for WoW to suffer a major defeat !!!!!! thats what missing
Then how come kyrestia still looks the same with her sigil gone? There’s even an updated model of her on ptr with only a stab wound from anduin. Same model tho
Perhaps, for what he was banished, he gained THAT MUCH POWER?
What if Zovaal isn't the one imprisoned, and he actually is "The Jailer" and he is being controlled somewhat
And I would love x-pac where actually won't win, and we helplessly watch how death comes for the soul of our planet
Just to see when Death finds out that Azeroth is no longer as dormant and thought to be, and she actually frightens Death
and then we get booted from Shadowlands to never return
Heard of the mother Nyx, female personification of night but also a great cosmological Figure, and her twin sons Thanatos (death) and Hypnos (The god of sleep)?
There is also mention of a river called Lethe, the river of forgetfulness and oblivion.
Zovaal is the 1st “born” of the 1st ones. the eldest brother. The primus being the 2nd oldest of them still around. The rest of the eternal ones were created way later with a different purpose in mind. So in a way Zovaal would be like that brother or sister that was in college when you were like 5. Yeah you’re siblings but the generation gap makes you feel like your strangers..
Then that older brother or sister comes home for college to you, who now has their room and your parents are way less stricter on you and let you get away with a lot more…and sometimes that can harbor jealousy resentment and even hate..
When Sylvanas held Azerite for the first time she had a vision that she's a goddess of creation and destruction, that's not Sylvanas thinking highly of herself, Sylvanas saw what Azaroth is.. a GOD…if that is true, my guess is that First Ones imprisoned Azeroth by putting her into sleep true Emerald Dream, then they took her powers. Elune took creation (life) powers and destruction (death) power was chained in the MAW.
I also think Zovval was a part of imprisoning Death but he changed his mind and tried to free Death, and for that he was banished. As for the souls going into the MAW i don't think they are powering Zovval, they are powering Death, Death is powering Zovval, Zovval is powering Sylvanas etc..
The most importing thing her is that Sylvanas survives.. 😀
VICTORY FOR SYLVANAS
In the beginning I believed that the First Ones, Eternal Ones and Titans are the same race, but different iterations in time and plains. But now, I believe that the Eternal Ones are like the Watchers on Azeroth. Danuser said about them, that they are like "Titan++". We took that as in they are more powerful than Titans. But I believe he said it like that and he was believing that Titans are "titans+++", so titans are more powerful than Eternal Ones. Just like in washing machines, the best are A+++, than A++, than A+, A, B, etc. Maybe the First Ones are the Titans, but they are known in Shadowlands as that. Or is just the greek mythos, but reversed, instead of Titans being the first ones and than the Olympians, here the First Ones came before the Titans.
What if Zovaal used to be the sole defacto ruler of the shadowlands and he was actually a benevolent guy who was just minding his own business in his realm. As the other cosmic forces realized that death was getting bigger and bigger but posed no real threat as Zovaal was a peace dove so the powers that be in ORDER invaded or subjugated Zovaal to the Maw installing the "eternal ones" as titan keepers to keep Zovaal locked up for eternity.
TL;DR – Titans made Zovaal who he is today…a vengeful evil entity that just wanted to left alone but was dragged into this cosmic war that has been raging for eons.
If this happens to be the case, Denathruis would be the dreadlord that won over favor for from the cosmic power of ORDER to be installed as an Eternal One. :O Mind Blown
what if zoval is indeed forced to be the jailer for their brother… an intity that we dont know of
They really are doing a Thanos with Zovaal
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I've always wondered: Why is he called the jailer, not the JAILED? is he charged with guarding something even more powerful?
Also, what if the thing that is so terrible in Torghast is actually Zovaals soul, and him breaking the sigils frees his soul back to him?
Food for thought 🙂
I really hope they dont fuck death up. If there is going to be an actual manifestation of "death" that is. i know so many people see death as evil but i never have. thats why i like sylvanas. cause death is gray and in the middle. doesnt care who you are or your views it comes for you regardless. but either way if they make death a character in game i hope they dont fuck it up. i hope they do like death in supernatural that would be badass. but the worst thing they could do is have the literal representation of death in game and we somehow beat it. and i think that would be the biggest mistake ever. death isnt one that can be beat. they are arguably the strongest force/entity in all of creation. so if they made them in game and we beat them cause main character plot armor it would be so lame.
So is that Zovall’s sigil on the arbiter’s chest?
He looks like the concept art of Velen!
Zovaal: "It's Moprhin' Time!"
What if, when the "masters" are the First Ones?
I hope that leaked pic is final form zovaal. It would be cool to see zovaal release a void lord who we have to fight in the expansions final raid. 9.1 is looking pretty hype. Great vid my guy 🤘
You guys should really look into what The Dread Expanse has to think on this subject
I just want Denathrius to deceive everyone including Zovaal and end up with all the power! That'd be fantastic!
There is a bit of similarity between the leaked Jailer's image and the "new" Primus. But there is a much bigger similarity between the "new" Primus and the old Warcraft 3 Necromancer unit. That's why I've got a LOT of hope for a playable Necromancer Class in the future. And yes I know, Dk and Warlock….. I have both, I love both, but those aren't Necromancer. I want a sort of Diablo 2 Necromancer in Wow.
Maybe they pulled a "demon soul" like the dragonflights. (Would perhaps make Ysera being in the Shadowlands important)
Everyone agreed to give up their power in order to chain death, their brother.
But Zovaal betrayed them and kept his powers. And for that they punished him by sealing him away in the Maw to become the Jailer of Death.
Lets be honest it is never as cool as we would want it to be
Food for thought: 1.The "Eternal Ones" are only eternal because they chained "Death". In other words, they chained death to become "Eternal Ones". 2. Zuval embraced death to kill the "Void Lord". 3. The other ones punished Zuval and used his sigul to lock "Death" out of the Shadowlands making Zuval the "Jailor" of Death.
What if its not zovaal, what if its an old god they are working to release
Your last point is wrong it was stated that Sargeras was originally the strongest of all the titans which is why he was tasked with combating the demons while the others tried to order and wake up more titans. Unless that statement about Sargeras' inherent powerlevel compared to the others were retconned. Love the content Acco keep it up 😀
What if the diference between powerlevels can be explained by the very reason Jailer references to him self in a 3rd person when saying "your brother"? I mean imagine 5 godlike beigns brothers and sisters, equalin power, ruling on their domains. Then smth Happens and one of them becomes "possesed" by cosmic power (death?) that turning him into a monster. In order to keep this being from ruining the world others turning against their former brother, they cant kill him now, but they can jail him. This is kind of "betrayal " you hear about from time to time ingame.
I don't think any of these shadowlands factions have anything to do with the cosmological force of death. They are probably not even native to the area. They seem more like order than anything. So perhaps when he says death was never meant to be chained he is referring to them taking over and creating this fake death afterlife by literally chaining up death.
Like you said they have literally stopped real death and replaced it with not-death but called death.
The power difference – well let me ask you the same question about titians. Why was Sargeras so powerful not even all the titans combined could stop him? It may have nothing to do with Zovaal being something completly else, just acquiring power, using a different power source.
I think the arcon is the sister of Zoval and that the 5 keys open ''the door'' where zovals sigil is stored.
That might be the obvious part, sorry if so.
I think they sigils allow the power to be kept. and without the sigil the power will decay overtime. the primus and zovaal lost their sigil a very very long time ago. maybe the winterqueen and the arcon will start decaying like them but only over 1000s of years. its not like 1 second ultra power and the other 0 power.
Zovaal is so powerful, because he IS Death. He can end anyone
About Binding your own brother – Zovaal is known as Banished One. Posesed Anduin says "As you bind your own brother". What if Banished One (Zovaal, Jailer) isnt the same person who was Binded somewhere? That could be cool plot twist i think :)! @Accolonn
If the jailer is so impossibly strong why don’t we sink a world soul and use that to fight him?
The sigils are “keys” of Zovaal. The sigils have nothing to do with the eternal ones, they simply “hold them” so that Zovaal doesn’t get them
What if “the brother” that was bound was the Primus? We know that everyone fought the Jailer and that the Primus sought out the Jailer and was captured. But what if that event happened before they locked away the Jailer to the Maw? Just a thought
Hey @accolonn what covenant is your favorite?
Just saying, the archon is also called the Firstborn. I'd wager she's not called that just because it sounds cool.
The Jailer is also saying he is her brother. So that kinda ruins the hypothesis of jailer and primus being a separate species.
what if elune is the goddess of death and azeroth is the goddes of life ? both chained by order in a system?