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World of Warcraft Shadowlands continues under the Cloud of the Blizzard lawsuit, but we have a new cinematic to deep dive… By Our Hand sees the Winter Queen come face to face with her sister… Elune. Speaking through Tyrande, we now know WHO and WHAT Tyrande is, and her place in the Warcraft cosmology ad universe. But why did she allow the burning off Teldrassil? Why did she abandon Tyrande Vs Sylvanas? And where does she TRULY belong? Join Taliesin a=for a cinematic analysis to get to the bottom of it all
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@26:30…. I seem to remember a certain panda talking something about reprisal and revenge… perhaps in front of the throne of thunder… Déjà vu
I don't know about Tyrande subconsciously choosing to spare Sylvanas. That seemed more like Elune withdrawing her power to avoid ripping Tyrande apart, or maybe Elune didn't do that on purpose. The shooting-star stunt probably used up a lot of power. ANYWAY I think Tyrande didn't choose renewal until this cinematic, where she shared Elune's tear.
Wooooo Thank god Elune Condemned her FAVORED children… That will teach you to pick NIGHT ELVES to be your Favored people… Tauren care more for their earth mother then those pesky Night elves. and the Tauren dont just leave their comrades to die. May all Night Elves go to the maw. Pft Ardenweald is no better… Save souls!!!! Ardenweald people: Na Just go save the souls of the Night Elves Fuck the rest GG Well played… Just shows how much the night elves only care for themselves. Furthering the fact of they are Trash. let em all die n go to the maw.
ok ok this whole Tyrande not getting to kill Sylvanas.. she 100% didnt ALREADY choose Renewal. you're wrong there. As she was trying to kill her she pleaded to Elune… no she was still Struck on Vengeance… Try again and come up with something that backs All the words said in the cinematic NOT just 1 sentence… if ANYTHING tyrande Made her Choice during the Winter queen and Elune talking… because if choosing renewal is all it woulda taken to halt the night warrior powers THIS WHOLE QUEST LINE TO SAVE HER WOULDNT BE A THING. Nice Attempt. but that attempt dies with the other Nelfs in the MAW… Also Taliesin Thats not the NEW tear… the other tear wasnt taken… its still in the legion area… the Tear wasnt a Sigil then.. This is a Different form of sigil… and this Tear is something else entirely… the only Artifact that was stolen from the Legion area. was that Water stone. Not Elunes Tear from Valshara.
1000% Tyrandes Story arc is super over let her die out this Xpac already.
Thank u for teaching us English Tally
While I usually agree with most of your points and I think these analyses of yours are pretty good, I think you're stretching a little bit on this one and you don't talk about the part that is actually stupid/inconsistent – if Elune had sent souls to WQ, it'd mean she can bypass arbiter and thus NE souls shouldn't have gone to the maw in the first place – if she can't bypass arbiter and it is how you assume – that NE souls are destined for Ardenweald (altho I can't find 100% confirmation that they are, but let's assume you're correct here), then what did she actually do? Because she could had done nothing and they should have ended up with WQ anyway, right? Provided of course that arbiter works and we'd think that this is what Elune assumes. These two things are contradictory to each other and doesn't make sense – what do you think about it?
Keep doing WoW videos. It's a rough time to be a WoW fan and Activision-Blizzard has a lot to answer for, from a senior leadership perspective, but while there are more than a few bad apples especially at the top, there are a lot of positive talented artists and professionals involved. Stay vocal about the need for changes, but I hope changes can come without proverbially burning the studio down.
Fantastic critique, Tali. If people aren’t reading what’s in front of them… well, that’s their problem.
Kudos, too, to Blizzard writers for their inventive use of Celtic myth and symbolism. They have clearly highlighted that the cycle – the balance – has been broken and needs to be restored. Don’t take your eyes off The Gaoler and be ready for a bigger revelation than even this glorious cinematic.
So that's why the story has been so garbage… 50% women writer team…
I caught all of this on my own watch through the cinematic EXCEPT for the bit about the wisps… where is that knowledge provided to us? Does Blizzard really expect most people to know these tidbits? I imagine if they were more explicit about these very important pieces of lore, there would be a lot fewer negative reactions to these types of videos…
Hard to appreciate WoW very much knowing what's going on at Blizzard.
I still tear up every time i see one of these videos
When Elune says "In the wake of tragedy, I send forth a torrent of souls". It could be that the tragedy in the sentence is referring to the burning of the tree, but it could ALSO mean the tragedy of the anima drought and her sister's suffering. If thats the case, it could still mean that Elune influenced the burning. Probably not the case, but the its still ambiguous
Please stop calling these half-assed amateur cutscenes "cinematics." There's nothing enjoyable or cinematic about them.
we wont forget what you guys said about asmongold
Honestly I'm very confused with your interpretations – for the very first time. To me the cinematic felt shallow. I was not able to see all the feelings in Tyrande/ Elune that you've interpreted in. Should she not be shocked somehow the very moment she realizes that all the souls went to the maw? She acts like a robot. The winter queen showed more expressions than Elune. I also agree to the points that Nobbel87 made.
Great cinematic badly timed release given its theme, and I worry we will not find out what happens next cause its going to hell in hand basket right now.
Do I even care? Hrm. No but at least these guys will give me at least one chuckle.
Taliesin and Evitel, you two are very entertaining. I really hope you two will consider expanding your channel to cover other games.
The "In the wake of tradgedy" bit was SO vindicating for me. One of niche obsessions is syntax in the use of etmomology. I won't lie when i first saw the trailer i'm like "ZUH?!?! she allowed/caused it?" Then i too a breath and realized, no no it was a thing she couldn't prevent but did make the most of. THANK YOU for underlining that. lol.
you cant just stop supporting a company who has many many good employees working their just because there are bad apples in the bunch, yes there is more then just a few bad apples in the bunch but that does not mean that all the good people still working their deserve to lose their jobs because everyone stops supporting the company as a whole, there are people there working their dream job at a company they love working and hoping the bad ones will change just to get fired because no one is buying anything anymore, we don't need to stop supporting the company, we need to specifically stop supporting the bad apples
I am pretty disappointed by “Elune took away her power from Tyrande so that later Tyrande could decide to not use the power for vengeance but instead for redemption because Elune didn’t know what happened but when Elune found out she would want to have saved the choice for Tyrande to make a non-vengeance choice even though Tyrande very, very clearly wanted vengeance.” Am I missing something?
re: "in the wake of", it's hilarious how native English speakers know so little about English figures of speech…
…unless the tragedy Elune was referring to was the anima drought, then yeah, she did it lol
Makes me wonder who everyone else’s counterpart is…
… holy crap… Taliesin.. how did you know that I was thinking of another Evitel Squarespace plug? 21:09 😛
Moonberry and Cudgelface were adorable together. I loved their interactions.
I really don't understand all the people saying Elune caused the destruction of Teldrassil, probably just not paying attention to the story or just wanting something to whinge about. This was super obvious from my first viewing.
I understand you like the WoW writers and have some sort of personal relationship with them. But I didn't think this would prevent you from being objective and admitting how bad the writing has gotten, how character actions are unmotivated, important events are unexplained, and to what extent things make no sense. To say that this video was disappointing would be an understatement. Honestly, I'm sad, I thought you were better than this.
I have really enjoyed the cinematic and have been looking forward for it for a long time! As much as there is blizzard shitshow and I have canceled my sub. The lore is still my beloved part of wow
Seems odd Malfurion is nowhere to be seen in any of this
Hi Taliesin. I have a lot of alts, and I notis when we get the primes sigil in korthia, that a statue whispers to us, “a city of secrets, a city of lies”, do you think, that this is a teaser to something in the future? And are there other teasers beside this- Pease.
Shills to the end…
I love how you two explain things so clearly….haven't played up to the cinematic yet and figured all this out that explaining just by watching it once.
Winter Queen has a sister in the living world.
I guess the others also have sisters/brothers in the living world.
Have they already been revealed?