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Shadowlands Patch 9.1 will completely change the way you play Mythic+ dungeons, by implementing a new Mythic+ score similar to the Raider.io system. Asmongold and Mcconnell debate about this change coming in Patch 9.1 Chains of Domination, will this improve the game or only fuel more elitism?…
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I’m so glad i don’t play wow anymore. The fucking sweaty dickbeards complain nonstop about player retention and the game going stale, then turn around and are completely okay with systems that shut out new players and stomping on new player retention. Systems like this are fucking stupid
The only reason Asmon is for Raider IO is because it doesn't affect him. Your score doesn't matter if you always get carried.
> To get into a raid you need a good score.
> To get a good score you need to get into a raid.
> If you want to lead a group, you need a good score, so that's not going to happen.
> If you want to learn a raid, you're most likely so new to WoW/PvE that you're scared of making a group.
> If you make the group with newbies like yourself, you won't clear it and will start to dislike the game.
> You can't get in a better raid to learn from the better players, because you're score's not high enough.
My gearscore wasn't high enough to even join an ICC group, while I was tanking ICC25 heroic
McC's maximum geared, but his Rio shows he has no M+ experience to speak of. What a shocker that having done six timed 5s or lower and 3 timed 10s doesn't prepare him for 15s.
He feels entitled to be invited to higher keys, has the gear but not the experience. The later is exposed by the score.
Do your lower key runs, work your score up like everyone else.
Equal opportunity, not equality.
I feel like the important thing is that it's not people doing +10's that are complaining about not getting into +15's. It's people that clear a +12, and can't even get into a +13 because they look for people with a +15 io. Or you cleared +14, but you can''t get into a +15 because the people hosting it are looking for +17 io.
I do understand the merits of having IO as a system, it helps getting someone who has M+ experience over the person coming from PvP or raiding. But if you miss the first few weeks of the season? You either join rando guilds looking for static groups (which a lot of people don't want to because they're already in guilds they know), or you sit in +10 purgatory where everyone else jacked up to +15 in the first week or two, and now only accept people with +15 or higher io.
You have cleared multiple +14's and want to get your first +15 clear? Can't join one because they want +16/+17 io people minimum, and the good players won't actually join your group because you aren't +16/+17 yourself. There is a shitty purgatory in the middle of M+ that has been created by IO existing, and it is only going to be even worse with IO being pushed into everyone's game by Blizzard directly.
There is very much so a +15 wall that players gatekeep obsessively at, and it wildly hurts the games retention of M+ players (well besides that it's also a boring af mode to begin with).
and before GearScore it was "what Class/Spec are you?" people are claiming that this will be toxic when it's BEEN toxic like this since Vanilla! it's just taken different forms, WDYM?!?!
Any addons that categorize people into "good" and "bad" are dogshit. The whole point of MMORPG is to interact with both: the good and the bad, and form bond with people who we decide are good. Also, why does Asmongold pretend like he's "working his way up" himself, when Classic has shown that streamers can stay in a city and get hundreds of gold pouring in from their fanboys? What does Asmongold know of working for your gear when he always has a bunch of well-geared people just waiting to jump into his group and carry him? Does he even know what being rejected from joining a group means?
its like saying why cant i get a better higher lvl job without any prior experience. start with smaller jobs and slowly you will get there. not everyone with high gear started off with great guilds or alpha/betas, NO. they started fresh and slowly gained experince and made their way to top.
Destroying Asmons entire arguement, Back in wrath my hunter had alot of strength gear on with high ilvl. I got into groups cause of that high ilvl but sucked so much because i was always stoned and thought hunters needed strength to pull their bow cords back. Was i bad? of course, but i never pay attention to anything back then.
So TL:DR is that Mcconnell is salty cause they don't want to invite him for M+. But in the same time he's too lazy to invest any time or effort to get his score done or have any foundation to make an random to invite a ret pally without a pve legendary?
Mcconel really likes to dig in with stupid logic
lol yeah fuck mcconnell lol
Mccool is right here, asmon only speaks for himself, and he is the most carried crap player ever
Can you guys help me with Hogger?
Hell I dont even play shadowlands and that sounds like a shitty system. A number can't qualify someone for a group.
So, can someone explain to me how raider .io actually internally works? Is there a general db with recorded scores for dungeon fail/win rates that the addon reports to or is it akin to a TRP folder system, where it's a hover over with storage within an addon folder?
I hate the American mentality of "Pull yourself up by your bootstraps", it is incredibly ironic considering that's literally impossible, yet you have all these people blaming the disenfranchised for the misery that the system puts upon them. It's the same argument as saying that poor people are poor because they're lazy, Asmon literally called people with a bad IO score lazy, like c'mon! How difficult can it be for someone to have a sliver of empathy.
I don’t always agree with Mccool but he was spot on today. Good insight
if someone cant do a +5 why should they get an invite for a +10. its only reasonable to invite players that completed the dungeon 1 or 2 keys under. Mcconnell is sitting at a solid 800rio. Im not even surprised if he doesnt get +15 invites, they prob think he doesnt know the dungeon. There is no reason to invite someone into a +15 if they never saw the dungeon. Its only fair, if you wanna learn thats why there is +2s
I actually think the truth can be found somewhere in the middle. On one hand the score can be a brain dead take because higher scored players could have been carried themselves. Same could be said for metas There are players that can be good non meta players. There are also lower scored meta classes that can do more dps just because of balance. On the other hand averages can help you achieve a more likely/successful outcome.
Kind of why metas and score are boring as fuck and limit variety.
McConnel is right this shit destroys private servers in wrath of course Asmon doesn't give a shit because he will have a bunch of spergs carrying him 24/7 no matter what what 99.99% of people aren't Asmon mythic is stupid as shit anyway should get removed entirely only 1 difficulty that's how it should have always been
so start a movement Mcconnel. only invite people based on your criteria. no logs. make their status in your groups or guild depend on not logging , but rather on communication and ability,etc.eventually after you establish something like this you can start shaming the loggers/sycophants!! maybe call it Batmangold
I love how McConnell just hates and can't actually make a logical reason.. you can't get credit unless you have it? Then how is my credit over 800 XD I wasn't raised with a silver spoon in my mouth I was dirt poor
The reason the score says something is because they already did the content meaning they know how plus they have the gear now
Mcconnell just dropped my IQ…..
McConnell can shut the fuck up.
dO Ur oWn KeY !.!.!
Funny how bald one is such a elities jerk ;p
Asmongold : the Social part of game should be more important!
also Baldone : NOO!?!? U CANT JOIN!?! CAUSE U DONT HAVE SCOOOOOREEE!?!?!
Asmon is wrong. This is the exact reason why wow has a store mount. Gatekeepers like asmon who have friends/pull in the game, encourage blizzard to raise the top and keep the bottom low. if wow had a better learning curve and less punishing ratings like RIO or whatever the fuck else, it still wouldn't be perfect, but at least everyone would be in the same boat. Now there are those that start playing the game, start to enjoy it. Wants to do mythic keystone master as a target, suddely has to download 75 different fucking addons that determine that that player is fucking ass just hey guess the fuck hwat, they've not done any dgs before – NO FUCKING SHIT, it's their first time playing the game…
Disclosure, I am a long time player, with a guild and we get curve and KSM every season. I know for a fact, that without me having irl friends that play wow with me, I would be able to enjoy the game as i do now.