22 thoughts on “Did Blizzard Just Ruin Another Storyline In World of Warcraft?”
This should have been done as an immersive scenario, given the importance of the event. I just completed the quest line and found it dreadfully dull and soulless. There's no real lead up or explanation. There's no feeling of importance to what was going on. The mobs are spastic and running randomly during combat. Take a step inside a building to talk to an npc and it's like there's no battle going on outside at all.. eerily quiet. The questing itself might as well not have existed with how short and generic it is. Blizzard phoned this one in, big time.
This is the kind of thing I'm worried about with them developing so much at one time. Like yeah, cool, you're able to push out content faster. If it's garbage and poorly thought out, who cares.
so let me get this straight… Reclaming Guilneas = bad Malfurion leaving and coming back for absolutely no reason… = bad Iridikron meeting with Viranoth and she isn't even a double agent so yet again… = bad was there any GOOD plot line in DF so far? Don't even get me started on how stupid the time travelling multiple universes bs has been bad (although quirky and funny at times), in terms of lore ofc. None of the Primal Dragons w.e their race is called have been enough of a villain. Ian lied that we would know who the final boss of the expansion is by the end of the first raid (no one thought it would be Fyrrak, everyone assumed Fyrrak would be the .1 boss if anything because of how hot headed he was)
WoW Lore is really not what people play the game for, I'll give it that, but holy hell at least make it somewhat interesting, if you can't create interesting characters, at least make them cool and badass, over the top bs. DF was so mid in terms of lore, heck, I think mid is a compliment.
I think my biggest problem with this quest was *SPOILERS*, it all seemed very blant and I think most people were expecting Genn to lead the charge and rip through the forces occupying his city while in reality his daughter and his wife were just like "You calm down now lunatic" (when seeing the forsaken being there) and then Genn was like "Alright then, Tess you lead the charge". And then it ended with Genn being to Tess "You're so great and smart you should be the queen now"…. To me it felt like they neutered Genn and then just installed another strong female character to lead, which felt even more emphasized seeing as Calia and Lillian were there and no other main male characters like Deathstalker Belmont.
The most underwhelming storytelling in history! They should have let us fight a epic battle that lead up to an mini raid where we along with the worsens fight the scarlet crusade! Genn fought Sylvanas in BFA and didn't lose the fight so he has proven to be extremely strong and competent fighter! Why didn't he lead the battle like a king that retakes his city? It is okay to cry! BUT must all characters be weak and needy? I miss Wrynn, Guldan, Garrosh and other badass leaders!
WoW writers are terrified of taking risks in story telling, this was a garbage short slap in the face. King Greymane was a joke as well, the Greymane leadership in general was idiotic.
this probably is a "controversial" statement but as someone who mains an undead rouge and has played through both sides of silverpine and worgen starting zone i see it as a bit of a "we tried taking your city now things happened and times have changed let us help give your city back" storyline
The graphics and customization are nice. The gameplay is better but this game doesn’t even feel anything like warcraft to me anymore. Damn shame I really just can’t get into it anymore. I’ll stick with classic and other games I guess.
In many ways I can see the idea working; the Forsaken attacked Gilneas when Garrosh and Sylvanas were actively fueling the fires of war, but with Calia pushing for a more peaceful interaction between the living and the undead it makes sense that one move she could make in this PR nightmare would be to seek out brownie points with the Alliance by cleaning up the Forsaken's mess from its Cataclysm days. Maybe this is another example of taking the War out of Warcraft but at least it has some sense to it, much like Bel'ameth being friendly to the Horde as well.
Regardless of how they structure the reclamation, this should have been the worgan heritage questline. You start your character fleeing from Gilneas, you finish that storyline by reclaiming it.
Unpopular opinion, but I think the writing has been terrible throughout the entire expansion, with a couple of exceptions like the Blue Dragonflight questline about the spirits of Malygos and Sindragosa. But otherwise, nah, man. From the start, with the Cult of the Primalists coming out literally nowhere (supposedly remnants of the Twilight Hammer, but for some reason, these cultists always know what's up before anyone else can), same with the Scarlet Crusade : WHERE do they recruit their troops?! And the 10.2 Emerald Dream quest had be bored to death. Wanna talk again about Fyrakk being in a position of power, only for that one fart-face coming to say "but the plan!", emulating exactly how 9.2 went with the Jailer abandoning the siege of the camp to go to the raid, even though he had the advantage. It's all so terribly written!
It did make me lol when I zoned into Gilneas at the start of the questline and they tell me we're fighting the Scarlet Crusade.. Me playing my dwarven Paladin fully kitted out in Scarlet Crusade garb… Awkward… xD
Imagine the worgen took the city back and created a night elf district to return the favour, even though the night elves have a new home again, that would be nice
The only thing I have to say on this as a Night Elf main player is: At least the Gilnean's are actually getting their home back. I would rather be a NE refugee in Gilneas than to be relegated to some random ass new home city (that allows FORSAKEN in); because, god forbid, Blizzard keep to any kind of lore and, I dunno, plant the fucking free in Kalimdor. I'd even take the tree off the coast of Glineas. Anything but the fucking friendship isles.
I not exactly surprised of Forsaken being here and Lilian and Calia even less. Forsaken were in horde because of Sylvanas in first place. And Sylvanas were keeping Forsaken under her heels, while she also kept politically antagonizing them in eyes of Alliance. Now when she is gone forsaken may actually try to talk with Alliance without being murdered by her. In fact now they have next to no reason trying to not reach out alliance, as they are former Alliance citizens, with some having relatives there. Sure they have been decades in horde now, but Sylvanas and her methods may be in good political play associated with horde and used against them. I do not think they would go fully to Alliance. But there may be division among them. On top of that Lilian and Calia themselves have no connection to Horde outside of being Forsaken. Calia even was associating with Alliance until recently.
I know that Gilneas was possible meaningful excuse to use for next war. But I don't thing Genn is right person to start it. Just like I do not think Tyrande is one. But we are still not out of option. Lordaeron is still subject of claims for both factions. Turalyon is still commander of Alliance. And Forsaken with their current political situation may possible be heading into civil war. We have many meaningful option here.
Spoilers but…. when I was fighting in Gilneas (In my opinion a very disappointing battle but whatever) I noticed something being shot at the Scarlet light shields (Which I first thought were Lightforged)…. it was blight barrels… Later I heard from other players it might be a modified more safe version but seeing those flying at those shields my only thought was: If those things broke through my character and everyone here would be wrathgated 2.0 Like wtf xD "Peacefull relations" my worgen ass.
This should have been done as an immersive scenario, given the importance of the event. I just completed the quest line and found it dreadfully dull and soulless. There's no real lead up or explanation. There's no feeling of importance to what was going on. The mobs are spastic and running randomly during combat. Take a step inside a building to talk to an npc and it's like there's no battle going on outside at all.. eerily quiet. The questing itself might as well not have existed with how short and generic it is. Blizzard phoned this one in, big time.
This is the kind of thing I'm worried about with them developing so much at one time. Like yeah, cool, you're able to push out content faster. If it's garbage and poorly thought out, who cares.
Remove woke infestation from wow, bring back old good warcraft!
so let me get this straight…
Reclaming Guilneas = bad
Malfurion leaving and coming back for absolutely no reason… = bad
Iridikron meeting with Viranoth and she isn't even a double agent so yet again… = bad
was there any GOOD plot line in DF so far?
Don't even get me started on how stupid the time travelling multiple universes bs has been bad (although quirky and funny at times), in terms of lore ofc.
None of the Primal Dragons w.e their race is called have been enough of a villain.
Ian lied that we would know who the final boss of the expansion is by the end of the first raid (no one thought it would be Fyrrak, everyone assumed Fyrrak would be the .1 boss if anything because of how hot headed he was)
WoW Lore is really not what people play the game for, I'll give it that, but holy hell at least make it somewhat interesting, if you can't create interesting characters, at least make them cool and badass, over the top bs. DF was so mid in terms of lore, heck, I think mid is a compliment.
Because the vilan is the scarlet crusade.
Bring back Racism and War in World of Warcraft.
I think my biggest problem with this quest was *SPOILERS*, it all seemed very blant and I think most people were expecting Genn to lead the charge and rip through the forces occupying his city while in reality his daughter and his wife were just like "You calm down now lunatic" (when seeing the forsaken being there) and then Genn was like "Alright then, Tess you lead the charge". And then it ended with Genn being to Tess "You're so great and smart you should be the queen now"…. To me it felt like they neutered Genn and then just installed another strong female character to lead, which felt even more emphasized seeing as Calia and Lillian were there and no other main male characters like Deathstalker Belmont.
The most underwhelming storytelling in history! They should have let us fight a epic battle that lead up to an mini raid where we along with the worsens fight the scarlet crusade!
Genn fought Sylvanas in BFA and didn't lose the fight so he has proven to be extremely strong and competent fighter! Why didn't he lead the battle like a king that retakes his city?
It is okay to cry! BUT must all characters be weak and needy?
I miss Wrynn, Guldan, Garrosh and other badass leaders!
Make war in warcraft again! #2024
reparation?
WoW writers are terrified of taking risks in story telling, this was a garbage short slap in the face. King Greymane was a joke as well, the Greymane leadership in general was idiotic.
this probably is a "controversial" statement but as someone who mains an undead rouge and has played through both sides of silverpine and worgen starting zone i see it as a bit of a "we tried taking your city now things happened and times have changed let us help give your city back" storyline
The graphics and customization are nice. The gameplay is better but this game doesn’t even feel anything like warcraft to me anymore. Damn shame I really just can’t get into it anymore. I’ll stick with classic and other games I guess.
Watching this AFTER playing the questline makes me even sadder.
In many ways I can see the idea working; the Forsaken attacked Gilneas when Garrosh and Sylvanas were actively fueling the fires of war, but with Calia pushing for a more peaceful interaction between the living and the undead it makes sense that one move she could make in this PR nightmare would be to seek out brownie points with the Alliance by cleaning up the Forsaken's mess from its Cataclysm days. Maybe this is another example of taking the War out of Warcraft but at least it has some sense to it, much like Bel'ameth being friendly to the Horde as well.
Good Point, Good Discussion
Regardless of how they structure the reclamation, this should have been the worgan heritage questline. You start your character fleeing from Gilneas, you finish that storyline by reclaiming it.
Unpopular opinion, but I think the writing has been terrible throughout the entire expansion, with a couple of exceptions like the Blue Dragonflight questline about the spirits of Malygos and Sindragosa.
But otherwise, nah, man.
From the start, with the Cult of the Primalists coming out literally nowhere (supposedly remnants of the Twilight Hammer, but for some reason, these cultists always know what's up before anyone else can), same with the Scarlet Crusade : WHERE do they recruit their troops?!
And the 10.2 Emerald Dream quest had be bored to death. Wanna talk again about Fyrakk being in a position of power, only for that one fart-face coming to say "but the plan!", emulating exactly how 9.2 went with the Jailer abandoning the siege of the camp to go to the raid, even though he had the advantage.
It's all so terribly written!
It did make me lol when I zoned into Gilneas at the start of the questline and they tell me we're fighting the Scarlet Crusade.. Me playing my dwarven Paladin fully kitted out in Scarlet Crusade garb… Awkward… xD
Imagine the worgen took the city back and created a night elf district to return the favour, even though the night elves have a new home again, that would be nice
The only thing I have to say on this as a Night Elf main player is: At least the Gilnean's are actually getting their home back. I would rather be a NE refugee in Gilneas than to be relegated to some random ass new home city (that allows FORSAKEN in); because, god forbid, Blizzard keep to any kind of lore and, I dunno, plant the fucking free in Kalimdor. I'd even take the tree off the coast of Glineas. Anything but the fucking friendship isles.
I not exactly surprised of Forsaken being here and Lilian and Calia even less. Forsaken were in horde because of Sylvanas in first place. And Sylvanas were keeping Forsaken under her heels, while she also kept politically antagonizing them in eyes of Alliance. Now when she is gone forsaken may actually try to talk with Alliance without being murdered by her. In fact now they have next to no reason trying to not reach out alliance, as they are former Alliance citizens, with some having relatives there. Sure they have been decades in horde now, but Sylvanas and her methods may be in good political play associated with horde and used against them. I do not think they would go fully to Alliance. But there may be division among them.
On top of that Lilian and Calia themselves have no connection to Horde outside of being Forsaken. Calia even was associating with Alliance until recently.
I know that Gilneas was possible meaningful excuse to use for next war. But I don't thing Genn is right person to start it. Just like I do not think Tyrande is one. But we are still not out of option. Lordaeron is still subject of claims for both factions. Turalyon is still commander of Alliance. And Forsaken with their current political situation may possible be heading into civil war. We have many meaningful option here.
Spoilers but…. when I was fighting in Gilneas (In my opinion a very disappointing battle but whatever) I noticed something being shot at the Scarlet light shields (Which I first thought were Lightforged)…. it was blight barrels… Later I heard from other players it might be a modified more safe version but seeing those flying at those shields my only thought was: If those things broke through my character and everyone here would be wrathgated 2.0 Like wtf xD "Peacefull relations" my worgen ass.