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At Blizzcon Blizzard teased World of Warcraft Shadowlands Patch 9.1 Chains of Domination and in this Patch we face Sylvanas in the Raid, is this her end?
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My bet is the covenant leaders are in the fight and one of them dies
Honestly, I think they truly are looking at ways for Alliance and Horde to group up and do things together, even though I wish they wouldn't. There was a cinematic in BfA where Jaina and Thrall were talking about teaming up again and Thrall was like, "Alliance, Horde – we've been down this road so many times, Jaina. What's different this time?" And her response was "We are." Perhaps hinting more at the player base than the characters. I hated that cinematic because I think Bliz was foreshadowing their blended factions. As a Horde player, I detest Jaina, Tirande, Genn, etc. and I would detest "teaming" up with Alliance. Especially as a blood elf main, Jaina deserves to be impaled on a spike. I hated being FORCED to save her in the Maw. I would've left her behind given the choice. I'm sure Alliance players have similar feelings toward Horde characters as well. I don't think many would be happy with that change. If they gave the players the choice like a separate BG, arena, dungeon, and raid cue or a simple "flag your character as neutral" option – then fine – but overhaling everything and forcing the players together would not go over well.
And as far as Sylvanas's fate goes, Bliz has killed off so many Horde leaders in the past so it wouldn't surprise me if they did. But Bliz has a way of never keeping a dead character dead. Illidan came back, Arthas is back (probably), Garrosh is back (twice now), so if they do "kill" her, she most likely won't stay dead for long. I wonder if they'll try to reconnect her with her split soul. Like how we saw Uther's soul split in two, hers probably did too. If she regained that, she might become Sylvanas Windrunner again, rather than remain the Banshee Queen.
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for someone who's on the side of Death, sylvanas is way too alive for my liking xD
kill her already!
We will free Arthas when we are in there and then he will step in to save her at the end of the fight and give her back her other half that was taken. My calling it now!
Horde has more compelling story (play both, prefer Alliance in general).
Sylvanas, Blizz won't kill her, repent maybe with the Venthyr? I can see Anduin stopping Tyrande from killing Sylvanas.
I'd like to see either a multi-faction system OR allow for 'convenience' dungeon/raiding cross faction. Although for the high end raider I'm not sure the crafted character is as important as racial bonuses and getting in the best guild – so would it matter for that tier of players? It might matter more for the casual to casual-core dungeon/raider set.
Everquest 2 always has allowed cross faction playing (along with account-wide banking!), just stay out of each other's cities or do a betrayal quest chain to join the other side (which I've wished for Blizz to add for a decade!). But agree in principle it would be nice to be able to pick the race you want to play/look at for years, but be able to play with the faction that fits. I've never understood the cows being Horde, same with the Void Elves going Alliance.
I see the whole point of horde characters moving to Alliance, like you said, orcs and taurens, some forsaken.
What I don't see is Alliance moving to the Horde. I might have missed something somewhere but I can't see why any of the Alliance races would join the Horde. Good vid though
Oh good Gods, enough already, I am so tired of her. I'm tired of Tyrande as well, I'd be tickled shitless if they killed each other in an epic battle. I would hate to see Anduin being the next Lich King, I think that's fucked up. I hate the thought so much that I would actually be up for Sylvanas finding some sort of redemption by dying to save him from that fate. I LOVE the idea of being able to choose what faction your character belongs to regardless of race. I have both Alliance and Horde, and I would love to have a little Vulpera making a living killing Bandits in Elwynn forest. I'd be equally happy with a Human Horde sympathizer camping on the outskirts of Orgrimmar. 😀 Great video, I thank you for it.
I once played on a tbc server where you could group up (quest), dungeon and raid with other fraction, but that didn't mean you couldn't kill each other later, the reason was the population, the experience was fun.
I’m confused – how do you wind up at “Sylvanas won’t die because they said she’ll be the final boss of the *expansion*” when that’s not what they said at all, they were only talking about the 9.1 raid
Choosing to mix factions for a dungeon or a raid could make sense if the aren't enough players, just as it made sense for BG. However from a lore point of view and for the questing, it makes zero sense. Many quests are different and tell the story of a specific faction or race, gear and mounts can be faction specific as well. It takes the flavour away. It also makes it harder to PVP in the world vs now on sight and except for pandas you know which side they are on.
Sylvanas and Tyrande merge
If they let me kill her, I will actually resub just so I can do that(in looking for raid like all the noobs/casuals out there).
Oh and I would never join the Jailor, he is obviously far worse then the Eternals. I mean remember the Archon tried to help Anduin even if she was at risk, how the Winter Queen sacrificed her own life force to help the dragon and quite a few things. Yes, they are not perfect just like the shadowlands are a problem but this is like saying democracy is not perfect so let's burn it down or like the Titanic going down and you refusing to jump in the rescue boats because you don't like'em. The Jailor is a far worse option. Let's stop the Jailor and then work with the Eternal ones to make that place better. The Archon already has massive second thoughts about what they've done.
Oh and about the faction thing. They need to allow people raiding and doing dungeons cross factions because Alliance is doing far worse and has far lower people at the top, this makes even more people moving horde if they want to do real hardcore raiding.
I'm afraid we are not going to kill her
Sylvanas dying? I'm against it, but there lies the problems with such stories. If you don't kill characters, the stories lose meaning. The Shadowlands offer a middle ground here. The dead find their peace/move on to new "lifes" like Varian and Saurfang most likely did. Even if they die there … for me energy doesn't vanish and their sould might be reformed eventually … but this is headcanon. Perfect ending: Sylvanas ends up serving either the Jailer or the new Pantheon of Death as protector of the real like she did in Quel'thalas … kinda a full circle …
My guess is that she serves as giant bait. She lures us(the Convenants main forces) or maybe Tyrande(who might play a role in the Jailer's plan) in, maybe retrieves one key from Draka(if your theory is correct to which I agree), while the Jailer's main forces under Anduin launch a major attack on the rest of the Shadowlands … I mean where is the Jailer, who is bound to the Mawm when we attack his main citadel anyway? Either he is strolling around somewere in the zone or he is finally free … there aren't too many options I see … though I guess me could be surprised.
Team Jailer or Team Eternal ones? Dude, we don't know them real enought to chose, rendering every choice meaningless. We learned of the Shadowlands and the system as it is, its flaws and its strengths, but we don't know which one the Jailer(maybe in his original form of Zovaal) wants to (re?)create. We don't know why he was banished in the first place. We may learn a bit in this patch, but I guess we have to wait for the full picture in the last one.
for the horde
I love that you posted this video on my birthday!!
Sylvanas has much more to come. I'm so sure of it. If they truly killed her off it wouldn't even make sense. They said themselves she has much more story to come. But I would definitely be happy to see her on the back burner for awhile. I think that's the best move for sure. She's has a lot of time in the front and I understand people are getting tired of it. I'd love to see a cinematic where Anduin comes in and explains everything. And also I am wondering where/if Tyrande will be involved somewhere in the Sylvanas fight. So nervous and excited to see what unfolds!
I really hope they do as you suggested with the factions, where you choose which faction suits you at level 60. Because I'm totally with you about not giving a fuck about burning Teldrassil and I would totally burn Stormwind next as well, or be a spy on the inside XD haha I loved that. As soon as you said that part I was like, yep me XD
"Right now you hold all the power" What is the power she originally had? The power she used on the undead that the Lich king commanded? The power she used to raise a people, an army. What is the power that Anduin is referring to? What if the banshee queen has the power to free individuals from the domination magic? ALL THE POWER, the only power that really matters.
sylvannas is too clever to get caught by the night warrior and even if Tyrande catches a break, im not sure so is that much stronger then Sylvannas. Remember, we have not seen the full extend of her power. We've only seen bits of it. I do believe the Loyalist scenario + N'zoth eye still have a roll to play. I think, Jaina is going to get done ugly and I wouldn't be surprised if the Champion dies at the hand of Anduin or even Sylvannas's hand, if that happens…expect to see Xal'atath to intervene. Remember, see did promise to see her dear friend (us , the champion) again very soon!
Off topic for the video, but have you noticed how there is an abundance of Anima in Throne of Thunder? and that raden literally bleeds Anima? It is also Red like Revendreth Anima is. Very Curious indeed.
In my opinion, Sylvanas deserves to die for all of what she have done. You must agree with me in that, her crimes are horrible and Zooval is not an exscuse for that.
Sylvanas knows Zooval best. Maybe even weakness. If you kill her, you will loose trumph card in fight with Jailer. Wich would explain that, it will change Shadowlands forever.
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!!!Team Winter Queen!!!
Maybe she becomes queen of the valkyrs or something. If her fight involves Odin's eye maby he sees her potential and takes her up with him to Valhym
Go Gnome or go home. Orc Warlocks are alright.
Silvannas will end up rethinking her actions and sacrifice herself to become the jailer of the dammed cause "always has to be lich king
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I think arthas will fight with us in sylvanas fight.
Sylvanas won’t die, she will become what the jailor was suppose to be
you should never be playing alliance, were not there to killing the shadowlands the jailers real plans is to finally get rid of the alliance. WOOOT vote one queen of alliance tree burning!!!! oh yeah burn storm wind too they make shit bread… and its sess pit of villainy
Why does it feel like it's just me that likes an intriguing villain? I have not found her motivations confusing, if anything it's overdue. I also like that she, like Accolonn said, she moves the story forward. Otherwise we're just fighting murlocks for another expansion…
Can somebody please explain to me what the point was for players to choose whether or not to be Sylvanas loyalists if the loyalists are just gonna "kill" her? I that that choice was going to "change the game"? I guess I missed something.
FOR THE HORDE! ")
Jailer jailer jailer
So WoW becomes Everquest? Neato
Alliance players are toxic? Funny, so far I've always read and heard racist and sexist crap from Horde players. The experiences are so different.
By the way, I hope we kill Sylvanas. Anything else would be an insult to any victim of genocide. Apart from the fact that it would be a slap in the face of any Alliance player if the Horde didn't have to pay for their crimes AGAIN. Because until now the Horde has NEVER had to pay for their crimes.
However, I would also accept it if she got her salvation in the end. Incidentally, I already told Legion that Sylvanas will die in the end and Anduin will give her the redemption she wants. Arthas sent her to Hell, Anduin takes her out.
Personally, I would wish if we ever lost an expansion and we had to get Azeroth back. Then you could lift the faction restrictions WITHOUT dissolving the factions. There will always be Horde and Alliance. But only together can we protect Azeroth from the enemy. And it would still be called World of WARcraft.
I have a dream for the next raid.
I wish that the 9th boss is Anduin and that we fight him. Just before we defeat him, Sylvanas comes and saves him from us. There is a short dialogue between her and the NPC who accompanied us. Then the fight against Sylvanas begins. During the fight, she tries to explain to us that her aim is correct. But she saw that the way (Teldrassil) was wrong and that the Jailor is not what she thought it was.
She tells us that Anduin is NOT Arthas. And Anduin is still Anduin, but he must be freed from the clutches of the Jailor.
Just before we end the fight, because Sylvanas has convinced us, the Jailor appears and stakes Sylvanas with a spear. Then he turns to us …
There is a mega dome of light, reinforced by the Void, from Anduin, who saves us all with it. Again he calls out to us to leave. Jaina works her magic and before we can grab Anduin, the Jailor Anduin grabs himself with: "Noooooo, you are mine!"
and disappears with him in the darkness of the Maw.
The walls of Torghast shake, the upper floors collapse …
Then a light … Elune and the spirits of the night elves. They help us escape and also save Sylvanas. There is a short scene with Sylvanas and the night elf priestess who died in Teldrassil. Tyrande swallows her anger that her late night elves forgave the Bansheequeen, but she accepts.
In the end, Elune stands over Torghast and Sylvanas helps us to free Anduin.
In the end, when we have done that, Sylvanas sacrifices and Anduin frees Sylvanas Windrunner from the BansheeQueen and she can finally rest in peace.
(Sorry for my bad english 😉 )
For the 3 death thing, it could mean AFTER Arthas brought her back since her first death would of been clean and pure, while all the following ones have been in "Grey" areas
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I hope she doesn’t die, maybe ascends and becomes the new jailer or god of death. Maybe not a full redemption arc but a neutral character, a new pet of cosmic force.
I still think she will betray the jailer (maybe he will kill her?) she promised to tear it all down, she’s sick of the gods and cosmic forces (the jailer being one of them) she trusted saurfang, she knows the jailer influenced arthas and she swore her life revenge on arthas (and by extension the jailer) it would be incredibly bad storytelling for her to just be a jailer pawn.
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Maybe the other half of Sylvanas' soul that was in Frostmorne will be recovered and injected back into her haha. Wouldn't need to bother with a redemption at all then 😀
Sylvanas Windrunner will become The Lich Queen!!! Mark my words.
I believe Anduin chose to take on the burden of being possessed by The Jailer, after Sylvanas admits to Anduin her TRUE thoughts, fears and feelings. Anduin wouldn't have wanted anybody else to have to take on that burden, so he chose freely to pickup Kingsmourne. We never got to see, yet, if Sylvanas actually stabbed him or talked him into it.