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This was a ton of fun and I appreciate you letting me spring it on ya! It shaped out to be a great session of ideation and brainstorming 🤙
this is iconic
the Acco & Pyro chat was dope, and this is just as dope
loveeee it thank you for coming together!!
i think we actually have Positive and negatives in wow too. they are clearly ingame but not on the chart.
Light/dark or Night
Life / undeath
Death /stasis (?) maybe immortal
Order (arcane)/cosmos (astral)
disorder (fel) /
Void / Matter
we have life without light like a Ventyr or a deepsea fish.
we have undead people who are clearly not "alive"
we have opposing forces and we will learn ALOT more about them soon imho. (looking at curios Fish Quest and starless night)
book recommendation for wow nerds: a Starless night a 1993 fantasy novel by American writer R. A. Salvatore.
"the city of Silverymoon" mhmmm interesting read.
Pyro and Xaxxas, have you seen the Deer boss from Honkai Star Rail? Connected to immortality granted by the god of unbound life?
For a while now I've been feeling like there is a grouping of Death/Order/Light vs Life/Disorder/Void. Under the categorization of Lawful/Chaotic.
It is so wonderful listening to the two of you together, so looking forward to more in the future!
Where do I skip ahead to avoid the FFXIV spoilers, that are starting at 1:33:42?
I mean they inverted Tolkiens "Orcs were elves once" by having Elves evolve from trolls.
So ive been listening to this at work and im just a night janitor so its super chill work just kinda zone out vibes and im about 2ish hours deep into this and its been so engaging that i basically left reality and then when i paused it and shifted back to real life i legit almost passed out 😂😂 like i forgot i was real for a sec there i have no idea lmao but now im sitting on the floor still dizzy and i just had to share that hahaha
The "true" timeline, the Titan's timeline, the one they're trying to protect. It is the timeline where they win, in which Aman'thul doesn't die. His death he saw doesn't happen in this timeline, that's why they try to protect it so much.
Could this not just be the same as what Moruzond tried to do? That's why they want to protect it, it's the timeline where they win & Aman'thul's death that he saw doesn't happen. The Titan's conspiracy, that the "true" timeline is really just the one where the Titans, especially Aman'Thul live by Ordering all under their control, especially Azeroth. Maybe that's apart of why they made G'huun, if they cannot control the Old Gods or Void, but if they can make a fake version that can fill the role of Void but they can control it, then you don't need the original anymore right?
What if the future Murozond saw was the Titan's winning? Turning EVERYTHING into something like the Earthern? Personalities and everything gone, No family, No loved ones, No friends, No free will they just follow orders. What is worse, Madness or being an emotionless, souless bound robot following orders for all eternity?
Hire these guys at blizzard make future loreeeee!
I think Norgannon's world was K'areesh. And he is already the feared "Void" Titan, they were worried about.
With the connotation that argus in his original base form was more druid like (specifically the mention of malfurion) I can't help but think of mal and illidan. One put to sleep for long time and one locked away deep beneath the earth.
I don’t have an entirely put together theory or whatever it’s just kind of a thought I had but I don’t entirely know everything that would help me convey what I want to say but imagine Argus was a titan or being of life AND death instead of just death and Azeroth was creation and destruction and ik they can go hand in hand but I interpret creation and destruction as you can create and destroy whatever you want and you’re not bound by just making and destroying life where as life and death are more specifically formatted to living creatures and beings and the death of said creatures and beings and where they go afterwards and since you speculate or xaxxus speculates that Argus may be connected to dark Druidism or the drust or whatever so imagine if eonar took Argus abilities of life after Argus was broken or hurt or whatever happened to him I can’t remember if it was ever said and he was just left with his death powers being left broken and called “the unmaker” when he could have been originally “Argus the maker” instead like I said this is just a thought I don’t have enough lore knowledge or ability to remember enough lore to support my idea i just wanted to put out there cause you may be able to decipher it or look at it in a more informed point of view plus if Argus is very similar or is the same as Azeroth world wouldn’t that make him a prime world soul also or something akin to it hence why I believe he may have been death and life and something more involved in the cosmos with more importance then just being a death titan
Hearing you guys talk about Argus got me thinking of Draenor somehow.
I read up on it again and realized how overgrown by life it was at its beginning = the overgrowth.
It’s said that Draenor never had a world soul but what if it did?
What if Eonar (Eonar is literally in the name Draenor btw lol) was it’s world soul?
After all Genesaur run around on Draenor and have also been seen on Elunaria.
Just a random thought but maybe there’s more to it?
ALMOST 4 HOURS OF NERD SPEAK?!? BUDDY YOU SAVED MY BORING AFTERNOON AT WORK. THANK YOU!
24:14 Azeroth, Azure Wroth. I can get behind what he's saying simply by this alone.
If we get u 2 and acco all in 1 video then we've peaked as a society
4hrs of watching Pyro zoom around Dornogal! YAY!
Seriously though. Great discussion between you and Xaxxas. It’ll be great to see content stemming from this bouncing of theories.
Also, I enjoy listening to your introspection.
2:31:29 You heard it here 1st: Xaxxas wants Blizzard to show off Tyrande feet. The Old Gods are lying to you! Night Elf feet are best! Xalatath only offers fake feet pics!
Pyro's videos on wowlore were probably some of the best videos on wowlore on youtube, if not the best, and I'm talking about when he started his channel, and they were pretty conspiratorial but they were the kinds of conspiracy theories that made you be like "damn, I hope this is all through, because this means the writers are playing 4D chess with the story" and it made you this feeling of so many interconnected characters, storylines and conspiracies instead of the lore being just a regular/typical fantasy story that it is now
I love that you guys are collaborating ❤
Xax and pyro going so hard into ancient mythology of the real world trying to speculate on the Warcraft world that the discovery the truth of our own reality by accident lmao
What if the amanthul we see is his version of murozond.