Just add a real pvp stat NOT just have versatility on all pieces! Should be so easy! And why aren’t we able to upgrade the honor gear to 197 yet? They should’ve made that possible when mythic raid started! Even though 197 gear will still get blasted by mythic gear.. I really only see the solution to add a pvp specific stat! MoP style! I’ve had so much fun, but I’m really getting worried I don’t want to run raids or mythic all the time while practicing pvp for better rating… Makes no sense they shit on us like this. Sorry for the long message! But blizzard please don’t screw this up u made lots of players come back because it looked like you showed love for pvp again.
Hey Supa, normally really enjoy all your content, but this sounds really whinny to me. If you want the gear, put in the work and go do the content. Yeah it sucks to have to run dungeons/raid because you are impatient and want more gear now to feel stronger. Finding groups sucks and having to prove your skill through a score makes it even more annoying (sounds like arena teams, cough). Getting the gear is the reward for putting in the work. Making the honor gear easy to get and on par with mythic plus would be a joke. You literally can AFK to get honor gear. Having high key mythic plus gear at least requires some skill and know how to obtain, unless you buy carries, but that is a different conversation. The game has never been a 100% PVP focused venture and expecting to get a full set of top tier gear simply from queuing bgs and arenas is just not the case in the early phases of an xpak. All the gear does become available at higher item level later on. Its not like you can't get the gear, you are just choosing not to pursue it. If you have maxed the weeks worth in pvp gear pushing and still want more gear, still want more power, guess what my man, the pve grind is waiting for you. I understand some players only want to focus on one aspect of content and get loot envy from people who go the "all" content route. But its silly man, its like putting in 20% of the work and expecting to get as much pay as someone who is putting in 100%. Just my thoughts! Merry Christmas my guy, who is gonna be nerfed next X_X
Completely agree. I pushed rating for vault and all i had in it was 2x trinket and neck… GG Also getting rekt by PVE lords having 5-10k more HP than me in arena.
Best solution is increase price of everything and uncap conquest people have incentive to grind then. Am I missing something? You can grind mythics all week so why is pvp punished
just buy your unranked conquest main pieces. People are getting rank 2500+ with 184 ilvl. It's fine. Do a few mythic for a better weapon or keep it at 184.
I quit in bfa. Came back and bought sl because i heard pvp was fun. So far its been fun gearing a bit but i can see the problem coming up soon. Stuck at low gear item level getting owned in pvp by pve geared players. Looks like ill quit again in about 25 days when my sub runs out. Too bad. The versatility bonus on trinkets was a good idea but not the 40% boost in damage reduction ruined it. Bfa was my final farewell but i decided to give sl a shot, what a mistake.
Really wish there was a way that we PvPers could just have scaling gear" to those that play PvE . And not that we get the same items as them but the more we play and higher rank we get our items scale against those god tier PvE items =) Just a thought.
Honestly this is how an MMO RPG should be man. If you want a game where all you do is spam pvp you should play call of duty. Wow is an RPG at its core and I don’t understand how a system that incentivizes you to go out into the world rather than sit in Oribos and spam arena is a bad thing at all.
They should just increase the conquest cap, make it so that you have better rng in great vault, and make the renown i lvl upgrade more frequent. Problem solved. Ez.
youre rightm but you can just play till you reach 1.6 which is easy specially in RBG than you can upgrade to 213 also having 3 options with the vault helps too im at 202 gs without playing that much, its way better than it was but it has some problems
The initial gearing felt great getting all the new upgrades, now i go into each week with nothing to do with my honor. Seems this was the worst expansion to try and learn how to play, especially as a healer since i get told i play the wrong spec, many games my teammates get 1 shot due to the insane burst then kick me back to lfg. Kinda debating if its even worth trying to learn at this point, with most folks in lfg requiring 2k+ achievements just for a inv. Atleast supatease is out here with the great content though for me to listen to while i wait in lfg
Yuuuuuup I’m stuck at 184. I don’t do arenas just the bgs and having fun gearing a toon in pvp. It was fun until I hit the 184 wall. My PVE toon has a huuuuge edge and high item level.
THANK YOU! i'm so glad you're talking about this. this has been so frustrating the past week. when i have a 191 ilvl from purely pvp gear and i'm fighting people in arena with 205+ ilvl because they've been doing pve content, it feels so awful. the difference in gear makes it feel impossible at times, and it's so upsetting to feel like the way i want to play (pvp) is directly at odds with the way blizz is basically telling me to play (pve). currently, pvp feels better than it has in many, many years, but it's been so disheartening that there are systemic issues sullying the experience right now.
Honor gear should have been upgradable to the final level when the raid came out. Conquest gear is still higher Ilvl if I recall correctly even at unrated and if u only pvp u should definitely be able to get at least 220 gear. It would still feel like a nice upgrade going from max honor gear to a 220 conquest piece. They should have also given conquest weapons week 1(one 1-hander)and week 2 (everyone weapon)since they are literally the most important piece. This would have kept the gear progress feeling amazing, the only reason I see they didn’t do this was to stop it from effecting mythic raiding for world first.
No reason why they can't raise BG gear to ilvl 197 earlier. Players are already getting gear up to 210 in M+, which is the most comparable source of gear as it is an unlimited source.
It makes no sense to save conquest for a weapon. You should use it on the cheapest items (rings, wrist, neck) and get more expensive items from the vault. Right now there is no way your vault doesn't give you upgrades unless you're not capping it for 3 rewards.
It’s a problem but I think it could be an easy fix. Just make versatility a stronger stat in PvP. Than even if you are a heroic and possibly mythic raider you still need PvP gear to push arena ladder
Totally agree. In the same situation at the moment. I was so excited to focus solely on PVP which I did, now having no .IO score has come back to haunt me.
I think a better idea would have been to make the gear all cost honor and then have the upgrades cost conquest, that way you progress rating in a week and can upgrade a piece or a few pieces of gear to the ilevel cap that your rating allows. This way anyone with honor could buy iLvL 200 as well.
Agree 1000%. Conquest cap needs to be doubled right away. I keep getting stuck at 1700 because we’ll face teams that have 6-7k more health and the burst just doesn’t forgive a health pool difference like that right now. My vault last week gave me all 3 pvp trinkets, the least impactful pieces I could get. So a full week wasted that I fall further behind due to bad RNG. Gearing through pvp past honor gear feels awful compared to how great the 184 gear was.
Would like if pvp and pve didnt shared items with same stats as in vers. So i have to pve to compete witth those who is as you say 20-30 ilvl advatage.. I should have an advantage in pvp against a played who plays it now and then in the lack of pvp gear.
I think the gearing is retarded , I quit back when MoP was announced and pvp gear was simple earn Honor buy pvp gear .. now it's all categorized . You want the high lvl gear do the raid from normal up to mythic only problem is the drop rate it absolutely shit done nathria 3 times now and got literally 1 item the rest 35 anima and 8 gold not even enough to cover the cost for repairs and the raid is bullshit awkward and impossible to run it smoothly without a group that has no life other than playing WOW .. want the best pvp gear you have to now rank up in rated pvp which is hard because getting a group together that works is a pain in the ass or you come up against 3 prot paladins with 50k hp and it's impossible to deal with .. I miss the casual oh I can just play battlegrounds and save up Honor and buy my pvp gear and enjoy the content.. now it's all locked behind earning ratings and suffering that shit raid . It makes me not want to play the game knowing people have groups of no lifers who are always going to be ahead of me a player who has a job and life to deal with its fucking irritating why does it all have to be full of awkward bullshit on top of the talent trees being butchered and every class relying on cooldowns and on top of some classes just not being viable anymore .. depending on what class you are sometimes you'll never get invited along but the class you like is lacking in damage . Its crap
I’ve been feeling the same way!
Ur class is too OP?
just make the vendors like MOP such an easy fix
upgrading is so dumb
Just add a real pvp stat NOT just have versatility on all pieces! Should be so easy! And why aren’t we able to upgrade the honor gear to 197 yet? They should’ve made that possible when mythic raid started! Even though 197 gear will still get blasted by mythic gear.. I really only see the solution to add a pvp specific stat! MoP style! I’ve had so much fun, but I’m really getting worried I don’t want to run raids or mythic all the time while practicing pvp for better rating… Makes no sense they shit on us like this. Sorry for the long message! But blizzard please don’t screw this up u made lots of players come back because it looked like you showed love for pvp again.
Hey Supa, normally really enjoy all your content, but this sounds really whinny to me. If you want the gear, put in the work and go do the content. Yeah it sucks to have to run dungeons/raid because you are impatient and want more gear now to feel stronger. Finding groups sucks and having to prove your skill through a score makes it even more annoying (sounds like arena teams, cough). Getting the gear is the reward for putting in the work. Making the honor gear easy to get and on par with mythic plus would be a joke. You literally can AFK to get honor gear. Having high key mythic plus gear at least requires some skill and know how to obtain, unless you buy carries, but that is a different conversation. The game has never been a 100% PVP focused venture and expecting to get a full set of top tier gear simply from queuing bgs and arenas is just not the case in the early phases of an xpak. All the gear does become available at higher item level later on. Its not like you can't get the gear, you are just choosing not to pursue it. If you have maxed the weeks worth in pvp gear pushing and still want more gear, still want more power, guess what my man, the pve grind is waiting for you. I understand some players only want to focus on one aspect of content and get loot envy from people who go the "all" content route. But its silly man, its like putting in 20% of the work and expecting to get as much pay as someone who is putting in 100%. Just my thoughts! Merry Christmas my guy, who is gonna be nerfed next X_X
On point! Everything you said I also went through and I feel like there is no way back to level ground
Completely agree. I pushed rating for vault and all i had in it was 2x trinket and neck… GG Also getting rekt by PVE lords having 5-10k more HP than me in arena.
My great vault had 3 1handers and a crit trinket. Super. in long run it'll be ok, but right now this is really poorly thought out.
Absolute worst case scenario: you save for 3 weeks for your conquest weapon. Buy it. Then you get a weapon from the vault. Just feels wasted then.
Best solution is increase price of everything and uncap conquest people have incentive to grind then. Am I missing something? You can grind mythics all week so why is pvp punished
It's crazy that blizzard has such a good PvP game and good community for PvP but put very little effort into it :/
Nice video! 🙂 But does the problem matter when there is skilless one-shots in the game? Does "it" not just stop at that problem?
just buy your unranked conquest main pieces. People are getting rank 2500+ with 184 ilvl.
It's fine. Do a few mythic for a better weapon or keep it at 184.
I quit in bfa. Came back and bought sl because i heard pvp was fun. So far its been fun gearing a bit but i can see the problem coming up soon. Stuck at low gear item level getting owned in pvp by pve geared players. Looks like ill quit again in about 25 days when my sub runs out. Too bad. The versatility bonus on trinkets was a good idea but not the 40% boost in damage reduction ruined it. Bfa was my final farewell but i decided to give sl a shot, what a mistake.
Im Also about to stop playing this season beacause of the gearing
Gear is fine. You can’t endlessly farm raids so why would you be able to endlessly farm rated pvp?
Really wish there was a way that we PvPers could just have scaling gear" to those that play PvE . And not that we get the same items as them but the more we play and higher rank we get our items scale against those god tier PvE items =) Just a thought.
Honestly this is how an MMO RPG should be man. If you want a game where all you do is spam pvp you should play call of duty. Wow is an RPG at its core and I don’t understand how a system that incentivizes you to go out into the world rather than sit in Oribos and spam arena is a bad thing at all.
They should just increase the conquest cap, make it so that you have better rng in great vault, and make the renown i lvl upgrade more frequent. Problem solved. Ez.
youre rightm but you can just play till you reach 1.6 which is easy specially in RBG than you can upgrade to 213 also having 3 options with the vault helps too im at 202 gs without playing that much, its way better than it was but it has some problems
Pvp gear should be as progressive as m+
PvP is a mini game. It’s not that they want pvpers poor, it’s just they simply don’t care. And this isn’t really surprising to me at all.
Great video and ty but yeah pvp is kinda like a for fun thing according to blizzard.
the current pvp gearing system is back to mop. zero motivation to do anything besides pvp
The initial gearing felt great getting all the new upgrades, now i go into each week with nothing to do with my honor. Seems this was the worst expansion to try and learn how to play, especially as a healer since i get told i play the wrong spec, many games my teammates get 1 shot due to the insane burst then kick me back to lfg. Kinda debating if its even worth trying to learn at this point, with most folks in lfg requiring 2k+ achievements just for a inv. Atleast supatease is out here with the great content though for me to listen to while i wait in lfg
pve'ers are incentivized to do pvp for gear and i dont hear any of my guildies complaining…
u could just play other content?
Yuuuuuup I’m stuck at 184. I don’t do arenas just the bgs and having fun gearing a toon in pvp. It was fun until I hit the 184 wall. My PVE toon has a huuuuge edge and high item level.
THANK YOU! i'm so glad you're talking about this. this has been so frustrating the past week. when i have a 191 ilvl from purely pvp gear and i'm fighting people in arena with 205+ ilvl because they've been doing pve content, it feels so awful. the difference in gear makes it feel impossible at times, and it's so upsetting to feel like the way i want to play (pvp) is directly at odds with the way blizz is basically telling me to play (pve). currently, pvp feels better than it has in many, many years, but it's been so disheartening that there are systemic issues sullying the experience right now.
Honor gear should have been upgradable to the final level when the raid came out. Conquest gear is still higher Ilvl if I recall correctly even at unrated and if u only pvp u should definitely be able to get at least 220 gear. It would still feel like a nice upgrade going from max honor gear to a 220 conquest piece. They should have also given conquest weapons week 1(one 1-hander)and week 2 (everyone weapon)since they are literally the most important piece. This would have kept the gear progress feeling amazing, the only reason I see they didn’t do this was to stop it from effecting mythic raiding for world first.
No reason why they can't raise BG gear to ilvl 197 earlier. Players are already getting gear up to 210 in M+, which is the most comparable source of gear as it is an unlimited source.
It makes no sense to save conquest for a weapon. You should use it on the cheapest items (rings, wrist, neck) and get more expensive items from the vault. Right now there is no way your vault doesn't give you upgrades unless you're not capping it for 3 rewards.
It’s a problem but I think it could be an easy fix. Just make versatility a stronger stat in PvP. Than even if you are a heroic and possibly mythic raider you still need PvP gear to push arena ladder
Totally agree. In the same situation at the moment. I was so excited to focus solely on PVP which I did, now having no .IO score has come back to haunt me.
I think a better idea would have been to make the gear all cost honor and then have the upgrades cost conquest, that way you progress rating in a week and can upgrade a piece or a few pieces of gear to the ilevel cap that your rating allows. This way anyone with honor could buy iLvL 200 as well.
i agree with you
isnt unranked already ilvl 200??
Agree 1000%. Conquest cap needs to be doubled right away. I keep getting stuck at 1700 because we’ll face teams that have 6-7k more health and the burst just doesn’t forgive a health pool difference like that right now. My vault last week gave me all 3 pvp trinkets, the least impactful pieces I could get. So a full week wasted that I fall further behind due to bad RNG. Gearing through pvp past honor gear feels awful compared to how great the 184 gear was.
Would like if pvp and pve didnt shared items with same stats as in vers. So i have to pve to compete witth those who is as you say 20-30 ilvl advatage..
I should have an advantage in pvp against a played who plays it now and then in the lack of pvp gear.
ALL PVE GEAR SCALED TO 184 In PvP
bro you literally just push your own mythic+ keys
Everyone is gear starved, not just pvpers
I think the gearing is retarded , I quit back when MoP was announced and pvp gear was simple earn Honor buy pvp gear .. now it's all categorized . You want the high lvl gear do the raid from normal up to mythic only problem is the drop rate it absolutely shit done nathria 3 times now and got literally 1 item the rest 35 anima and 8 gold not even enough to cover the cost for repairs and the raid is bullshit awkward and impossible to run it smoothly without a group that has no life other than playing WOW .. want the best pvp gear you have to now rank up in rated pvp which is hard because getting a group together that works is a pain in the ass or you come up against 3 prot paladins with 50k hp and it's impossible to deal with .. I miss the casual oh I can just play battlegrounds and save up Honor and buy my pvp gear and enjoy the content.. now it's all locked behind earning ratings and suffering that shit raid . It makes me not want to play the game knowing people have groups of no lifers who are always going to be ahead of me a player who has a job and life to deal with its fucking irritating why does it all have to be full of awkward bullshit on top of the talent trees being butchered and every class relying on cooldowns and on top of some classes just not being viable anymore .. depending on what class you are sometimes you'll never get invited along but the class you like is lacking in damage . Its crap