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Finally! We talked about all the tanks, and now we’re ready to rank all six tanks in both Mythic+ and in raids. We also have recaps on each tank class, as well as a summary of the changes that have been made to each class since covering them in their respective preview videos.
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
2:13 Monk
9:36 Death Knight
14:48 Paladin
22:00 Warrior
29:07 Demon Hunter
35:03 Druid
42:43 Tier List – Raid
45:15 Tier List – Mythic Dungeons
49:04 Tier List – Bonus?
51:38 Thoughts on Shadowlands
54:45 Outro
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The list is completely wrong in my eyes. In raid you can let Monk/DK on first position but on sec position you should set Pala/Druid/DH since classtunings, DH bring still support not like a DK but better as a Warrior and only he should be on last position & M+ on same ranking would be DK & Protpaladin (huge dmg what is really important in M+), Druid should be placed together with Monk & DH, he is not really garbage since DH tuning and only Warrior should be avoid to play atm, but we see each week new updates and class tunings.
Hey man! thanks for the video really detailed and to the point! one question though if i want main a warrior is it viable to be able to be competitive in 15-20s and in mythic raiding CE coz i tested all tanks in beta but the warrior still clings on me man cant play something else and have fun (ex monk or DK) whats ur opinions on that regard?
Great video. Thanks dude
first time seeing someone saying good things about the warrior, and now I'm more confident in playing with my favorite class, great video!
from my own testing, and watching people do mythic+ keys in teh 6-10 range this last week – you are all sleeping on prot warrior. hard.
Not keen on Bonedust Brew for the monks then?
Thank you for you sincere and clear comments, I love it! I may be against the flow and try (hard) vDH because to me its fun (and I want to push M+). Lets see how long I can keep it up. lol
35:05 is this a Saberwulf skin?
Now I’m completely confused lol, you seem to have the opposite opinion of everyone else
I ahven't played in about a decade. Do any tanks do well in pvp?
9/29/20 PTR Changes: Brewmaster buffs & nerfs, Warrior buffs
Keg Smash was buffed. Previously, it split damage among all secondary targets (huge nerf from BFA). Now it deals reduced damage beyond 5 targets. This is a significant AoE DPS buff.
Keg Smash only grants 3 seconds of Brew Cooldown (down from 4). This increases the average cooldown of Purifying Brew by ~1 second, and the average cooldown of Celestial Brew by ~2-3 seconds. This is a weird, unnecessary nerf. Not great.
Protection Warrior's Vanguard (passive Str->Armor conversion) was buffed by 10%. Protection Warrior now gains 100% of Strength as Armor. This is more than DH's Demon Spikes (75% Agi->armor) or DK's Bone Shield (50% Str->armor). It is equal to Druid's Ironfur (100% Agi-armor), but it's passive, and you can Shield Block and Crit Block on top of it. Prot Warrior looking thicc.
9/23/20 Beta Changes: "Big Things Coming, Ya'll!"
DK Night Fae Covenant skill Death's Due has been redesigned (nerfed by 50%).
It now causes your Death and Decay to make your Heart Strike grant a stacking buff/debuff with each hit.
It only stacks up to 8 times.
It still grants 1% Damage Reduction/Strength per hit, per target.
The duration has been reduced to 12 seconds.
It's still the best option in single target, although it has longer rampup and doesn't function consistently in AoE. Movement also becomes significantly more punishing. Venthyr will probably be superior in Mythic+ and AoE encounters.
This is a major nerf to Blood DK and will substantially lower their standings in both Mythic+ and Raid rankings. They are still competitive, but clearly no longer dominant.
Demon Hunter Covenant skill damage was also buffed.
Elysian Decree (Kyrian) was increased by ~265%. It is superior to Sinful Brand when fighting 3+ targets.
Sinful Brand (Venthyr) was buffed by ~20%. Not sure why, DH damage is already good, but who's complaining?
The Hunt (Night Fae) had its damage was buffed by ~65%. It's hypothetically the best option if you can use it to dash through 5 enemies with each cast, but that's pretty unrealistic. It's still weird, and requires the largest target count of all the Covenant skills to compete. Still not very good overall.
Fodder to the Flame (Necrolord) was changed from +20% autoattack speed to 10% Haste. This is a buff, but it's way too small of a buff to matter. Who care?
Sinful Brand is still probably the best option under most circumstances.
I'm going to play Brewmaster Monk, even though I heard it feels kind of nerfed to the BfA version right now. I heard necrolords could be viable for Monk raiding?
Sadly, it looks like Guardian Druids will be facing a repeat of BfA Season 1 and being auto-declined for Mythic+. I agree that, should we ever get the ability to wear two legendaries, they will catapult up the list overnight… but that's just really bad design.
I also really hate that you pretty much have to use the Thrash legendary. I often swap specs as needed, so I wanted to go for one of the hybrid legendaries, but that means completely gimping myself when tanking.
lol druid tank the baby class…w/e i play druid tank for the mage tower skin looks …coolest looking tank 😛
Really like the video but I do have one gripe – when talking about DH you compared their sigils to some other abilities, Sigil of chains vs gorefiends grasp, I don't think anyone can argue with what you said and tbh it kind of goes without saying that GG is better as SoC is simply the same thing, but worse. However your other two comparisons are way, way off, intimidating shout, an aoe fear, is very rarely useful in a pve environment, it can cause ninja pulls and spreads out mobs however SoM can work as a way to stop casts or can be very helpful to skip trash pulls with invis and other means, its not an amazing ability but its leaps and bounds above intimidating shout. What is a great ability is Sigil of Silence and this is probably the single best thing that a DH tank can bring to the table, comparable ONLY to Solar Beam and even then it is better because it debuffs the enemies allowing you to move them, I think you massively underestimated VDH utility.
But with all that being said I think you're right about DK being number 1, paladin could be great if they just fixed the SotR uptime, until they can tank things without being terrified of a one shot 1/4 of the time they will never be the top dog.
Soooo another expansion where i will just watch my DH to stay around on login screen and never really login it. Good, not.
Bears forever!!!
2:12 https://youtu.be/GDQob4AOCsQ?t=202
love the video dude!! your channel needs to blow up with the info you put out!
As for me – i will reroll to Blood DK after 5 years playing prot warrior as main. Blood DK was the tank i started tanking with back in WOTLK and i play it as alt a lot more since last season and it gives me fun and kind of good memories. I also play mythic+ around keystone levels of 21 / 22 actually and i feel like it is a good choice overall. I also want to go with Venthyr when i first saw them…i mean Blood tank and Venthyr ? Viable skillset for the beloved m+ content and nice look.
In case you will have Bryndoar's Might, it is a good advice to use a Death Strike aura to display the amount your next DS will heal. Just simply take one with a percentage display and you are fine.
It's interesting how paladins get lots of well though out changes and warriors just get spiteful nerfs with no interesting changes whatsoever. They could have easily nerfed warrior damage without messing up all the interesting talent interactions. The only good thing I can really say about prot warrior is the spell reflect legendary will be cool, but it will almost certainly be niche in use.
It's incredibly disappointing how blizzard have for so long favoured monk and DK. For some reason Monk is allowed the smoothest damage intake of any tank, even with poor brew usage, great mobility and great utility. DK retained incredibly strong self healing and antimagic after the end of Legion, when Blizzard stated they didn't want tanks to have AM cooldowns or strong self healing… AMS is like spell reflect if it wasn't just turned on for one fight per tier.
Guardian Druids, I think Blizzard are happy to coast along on the player sentiment of "you ignored feedback in Legion testing, allowing Guardian to be OP so now it can suck for a few expansions" it means they get to do the absolute minimum to the spec. It's finally received a slow, but why does it have to be single target?
The reason I say all this is because it shouldn't be too much to ask that Blizzard bothers to actually even vaguely balance the tanks, they need to stop harshly nerfing some(Guardian and Warrior) while pretending others are fine(DK and Monk) all I really want is to play a tank that I find to play AND is at least not noticeably worse than other tanks. Doing Fetid Devourer undergeared as a Vengeance Demon Hunter was utter bullshit and it was fully because of their terrible active mitigation uptime. Even speccing fully defensively only just covered this. Both G'Huun and Zul were barely any better when you stood next to a DK or Monk clearly not struggling with the damage whatsoever.
Your pictures of tauren doesn't really represent the classes well, why wouldn't you differentiate more between the different "logos" of your class presentations?
Blizzard, please put down the development resource draining "expansion long/temporary borrowed power systems" and spend your development resources on core class mechanics first and foremost, again. <3
Man… Next time put the rank list first then explain. You are wordy. Descriptive and thorough but boy you can lecture. Good video though. Keep them coming. Just discovered you yesterday.
Everyone is sleeping on the necrolord warrior… its 10% +1-30% crit. Aka 10% +1-30% parry. And a health buff… plus it buffs 2 allies crit by 10% over 30 seconds. A warriors strength has always been in its mobility, self mitigation, and raid buffs. Not to mention there is currently a soulbind that gives you 20% crit if you land 10 crits (1p60) for 20 seconds.
So in theory every 3 minutes you can gain 60% crit(60% parry), and 20% crit (parry) every minute. While that may not seem huge, we all know that the downtime between shield blocks is what kills warriors. So giving warriors a chance to have high amounts of crit with little to no investments is not even up for debate. Warriors are going to be the tankiest class with the anger management and the necrolord build just watch. You'll be able to run mythics with the same build as well since 99% of tanking is dodge/parry/block in m+
Feel free to use the trash tier covenants and their weak soulbinds, but I stand by my statement when I say necrolord prot warriors will reign supreme come raid time
Disregard this shit, I'm retarded
For people who don't have mental problems that make them play six characters and make them play one, your missing out on 3/4 story contentthat's DUMB!! Best comment ever lol
In regards to monk: "all of the terrifying bugs affecting the class have been fixed". This isn't even close to being accurate.
So for a player like me that always have been playing dps and wanna try tanking what tank/s (1-2 options to have in mind) do you suggest?? and after the nerf-buff thing of course!
Awesome video, congrats :)). I d like to thank for being mighty and merciful tauren. They very fit to tanks. I was looking for this mind. Coz some idiots choose ridiculous race like female gnome for a warrior tank. Thanks again 🙂
wait what do you mean about to having mental problems and having 6 characters and something about missing out on 3/4 of the story !?? If you play a certain class does that mean you get a certain quest line or path etc ??? If so , I’m probably going to have that mental disorder after making more alts aka side mains
good vid
Good vid. You deserve more views. Check smzeus . c o m, a lot of channels are using it to promote their videos.
Hope everything is good waiting for another tank vid with latest updates 😀
I wish Frost was the Tank spec like it was supposed to be in WOLK
I'm so looking forward to tanking Shadowlands dude!
Really good vid sub up now:)
I just needed confirmation that DK is boring as fuck so not gonna level that 🙂 But i watched the vid till the end. really good job m8