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00:38 – Players Are Burnt Out..?
02:35 – Dungeon Spamming Changes?!?!?
03:54 – Rogue Tanking / AOE Tanking
05:35 – Druid Class Changes
07:22 – Shaman Class Changes
08:48 – Mage/Paladin Class Changes
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I didn't dungeon spam, its defiantly way slower to level just doing quest. While most people spammed dungeons the open world was less populated and there was just the right amount of WPVP, social experiences/grouping and solo questing . Was the best launch leveling experience I have had in all of WOW launches ever.
I play almost exclusively healers, and I prefer to dungeon grind. it gives me a headstart on gold.
About Paladin changes, there art of war rune was really bad you casted 3x exorsim and were already oom, so no Ret paladins was not event using it, maybe this is why they change it so fast.
leave the dungeon grind meta. if thats not what you want to do, dont fucking do it.
I like dungeon grinding, please dude i've leveld over 40 characters max in its own game patch over the last 16 years, I just wanna max and do the content then.
Bored Already? damn I wish I had that much time LoL
I think the problem that i foresee is SOD is going to be just like regular classic era. For example, like you, i am an enhancement main and i also was in classic and i was the meme of the guild and i fear that in SOD enhancement wont be able to keep up and i will once again be the low melee dps in my raids.
Great points and great comments IMO! Please add stamina, because healing in STV is BRUTAL! I spammed dungeons with friends to get into Gnomer asap and kind of regret it. Looking back, i wish the raid took weeks before it was released. Great content!
I just wish crusader strike and divine storm would do holy damage, so we can scale with pluss to holt damage, maybe they can put a buff when you pick the talent sanctity aura that crusader strike and divine storm will now do holy damage?
How about full XP the first run through a dungeon and then get a debuff for 24hrs that stacks 3 or 4 times which reduces the XP by some percentage(20%-25%). You still can get the gear, but would slow down the spam and not punish the normal 1 time runners.
what do you think about making the flight path landing zone have a timer for those who land that are lower level who did not know we were in a blood moon to get back on the flight to leave without getting ganked by those are camping the landing zones. You may not know the event is happening and landing there as like a level 20 to go to Ratchet and just getting ganked puts you in a bad time for sure. Am I missing something here?
buff world and quest xp instead of reducing dungeon xp imo , the main issue is how spread out things are in p2 and without a mount the fastest way to level becomes dungeon spamming but will slow down as the phase goes on , each phase will point out a weak point of classic i feel which could be addressed in a new season maybe something like osrs for a classic + and have it be player voted
Can't force people to play a certain way. If people want to spend their experience dungeon spamming, so be it. If people wanna quest, so be it as well.
Maybe dungeon spam will begin to die out in a while , since zones won't be so stacked with people questing separately and it'll b easier to quest.
I honestly believe that in retail everyone who ran to the end as fast as they could is what hurt the game. Over the years they have told and got everyone to believe the game doesn't start until end game. So that is what everyone does. Not knowing they have been turned into slaves to farm for all those people, pay them for dungeon and raid runs. To support those that all they want to do is raid. And if we don't rush to the very end they will have no one to support their game style.
My Holy Paladin feels REALLY good since the mana reduction of Beacon of Light. However the actual PVP event feels impossible for Holy Paladins as we do not have a single instant cast heal, except the very unreliable Shock. It makes it impossible to play H Pal in world pvp and it sucks… we should really get a instant cast heal rune in the next phase to make it possible for us to participate in the WPVP events!
I'd nerf dungeon xp by a massive amount ~90% and maybe triple the quest rewards from the dungeons to make it more of a thing to gather up the quests then run it once. This would also need them to add a couple more quests to some of the dungeons since some have almost none like SM. People would still spam them for the loot but at least it wouldnt be the only thing to do. Idk when it happened but somewhere between 2004 and now Blizzard lost the stomach to nerf things when they were insane
So you think it's a good idea anyone can get their epic weapons/rings, bis items in one STV event?
Damn, that's weird. Nothing to do with how much someone plays, they will just cater to the casuals like always and punish the hardcore players.
I don’t understand why there are so many cloth pieces this phase with no stamina… SOD seems to be promoting pvp a lot and we are making the squishy clashes even squishier… meanwhile paladins who now have a full offensive arsenal with runes can bubble and keep on attacking…! It feels odd :/
Hey guys, absolutely love your channel and thank you for the content. I have been playing wow since TBC and love all aspects of the game but mainly pvp. Do you think we will get a sod arena? I would absolutely love this as I’ve always wanted to arena in classic wow and I reckon this would be an amazing addition to SOD not only to play but also try hunt some new gear!
I’m paying a sub to play the game how I want. I shouldn’t be forced to play with others or who they play. I personally don’t dung grind but I’m also not a weirdo fixating over how others play the game
Ure 100% correct..Dungeon spam is not fun and healthy..
Warlock mana pool while specc'd as Affliction. In pvp, we instantly go OOM. And in PVE – Well, not even viable. Would be nice to have both DPS specs viable like any other DPS Class.
Alliance bias is showing hard this patch.
In regards to levelling and burning out, I mean if tjr content is perfect, someone will still complain, not everyone can be happy, I got multiple 30s and I'm enjoying myself, still doing bfd, and raid logging when I'm busy.
In regards to the dungeon spam, i don't think it should be nerfed personally because in every expansion this is my preferred method, I don't need the sweeties spellcleave comp with full bis gear and everyone on coma, I mean more of a "Hey friends, you guys wanna slam out some SM's, I'm a bit bored of questing."
I love the option, but that's just me, I have many friends who hate dungeon spamning, and I don't do it because I won't quest, I just prefer to be much higher level than my quest objectives, like I wanna start stv at lvl 34ish.
And it has nothing to do with world exploring, because my favourite thing so far is trying to unlock icyveins and spell power rune, which is seen as tedious but the excitement of getting that rune makes it worth it for me.
And I won't spoil how you get it, but if you know you know.
dungeon spam is definitely the way to go, especially in the beginning of a phase. good luck with mob tags if you do try questing
Did you seriously just suggest nerfing paladins? This class is already suffering as is and you want to suggest to nerf them even more which will cause players to quit the class because Ret sucks atm, holy pally isn't even close to being as good as the other healers so prot is all we have (AND WARLOCK TANK is still better) please don't suggest nerfing classes that need buffs not nerfs. Thanks.
They shoud nerf every class in pvp the meta is so disgusting hunters mages druids priests every figth is just one button one kill no skill need to kill someone on a pvp server just who hits his button first
Let's talk about Warsong Gulch BGs. Why does it still not have some kind of timer yet? It's absolutely horrible if you lose a match that takes 30+ mins for no rep. And then even if you do win it's so little and getting to exalted can take hours upon hours with a lot of wasted time in between. They need to change this since it's the worst part of the game.
Why the fuck do people care about dungeon spamming? Just let them do it. If you don't want to do it fucking dont! You want to take your sweet ass time doing boring quests do it. Let us grind dunegones mindlessly for efficient XP. DOn't fuicking nerf it for others just bc you dont like it.
i feel like dung grinds should just maybe be nerfed a little bit to bring it more in line with questing, but at most just down to what u can get on average through normal questing, so that super efficient questing can maybe give way more exp than dung grind?
In the end its a game, people play it to have fun so there is no need to gut a way someone likes to level, but just let everyone be able to play what they like without feeling like u have to lvl in a certain way to do it in an effective manner..
a wish that more peoples would talk about warlock as being left behind since the start of SOD ngl we have legit runes that as being useless since launch like : soul siphon and now shadowflame . and bug aswell nightfall in metamorphosis giving no benefit . or nightfall with shadowbolt volley in pvp that dosent work at all . incenerate chaos bolt in pvp feel awful with the 2.5 sec cast etc + now with this new pvp trinket i wish they would have give lock another form of cc like shadowfury that could have being great for pvp . hopefully theres some more warlocks love inc cuz we need it .
If u thi k the game isnt broken and designed for real world trading and gold buyers u are not being reao my man
I'm sad that paladins are performing so poorly as ret, but it also feels the most fair amongst all the classes. Against other geared folks, it takes a good 10-20 seconds for a paladin to kill, but to get targeted by 2 or more casters deleting me in a GCD feels bad.
First time I do not agree with you whatsoever! I enjoy the dungeon grind. No waiting for respawn, being able to play with friends instead of solo questing your way to 40 feels way worse.
If anything adjust the quest experience so it will be equal to the dungeon grind. And, honestly i just enjoy getting max level so i can run around and enjoy after not having to worry about leveling. We are different – stop forcing people to play the game in one certain way.
In addition to to a rework of the 2h rune shamans need another rune in the glove slot to make it viable.
Paladins has always been the ally counterpart to shamans and in classic they had a more defensive kit than shamans, back then them having stuns and shields made sense since we had burst and dmg buffs. Now they have burst, they have dmg buffs and all of the old defensive stuff.
Shamans needs alot of love to catch up.
The only viable option on gloves atm is lava burst and in pvp that sucks since it forces you to keep flameshock up restricting you from using slow and interupt when you need it.
It also further pushes DW in front since you can use your maelstrom procs to heal instead of doing dmg.
A glove rune with another instant melee attack would be great, maybe a frost related one since we have stormstrike and lava lash atm. Something that maybe roots if you have frost shock on the target, and make it scale with AP and SP.
Can you stop telling me to drink a cup of coffee?
As a true pugger in Gnomeregan it has been a true nightmare. Everyone showing up in like near BFD gear without any of the dungeon gear, or quest gear. Most teams can't clear Grubbis yet, I'd say 17/20 teams you pug with won't be able to clear. It might be high time to join a guild, or quit outright. I don't think it's overtuned, but it may be, I think it's just people in pugs expect this raid to be like BFD, and just end up herpderping into the easy mechanics. Everyone asks for a discord, but then ends up not talking when they don't know the mechanics, or they don't speak english, and the raid lead always tells them what to do, but it's usually not enough DPS because no one is prepared gear wise for the raid.
dont nerf classes, nerf the armour
I think classic has a near perfect difficulty balance between player characters and the world. SoD is really cool, but if players become to powerful vs the world, SoD will lose my attention.
Enjoy the journey.. I hate it, absolutely hated it. Everywhere i went, i had to wait 10-15 mins for a quest at a time, if layer hopping wasnt around i would have stopped. That is why dungeon spamming should always be in the game or those people will ALSO be in the world making it even worse. It should always be a option for players being able to do.
My only concern about nerfing dungeon xp, is how difficult it is to quest on pvp servers. I'm ok with nerfing dungeon xp if there is another great way to level. I'm a huge fan of world pvp, but if nobody is gunna be in dungeons, the open world will be TOO dangerous.
The paladin buffs are garbage. . we literally have a rune for mana now . We need DMGG
Dungeon spamming for exp is an evil that is neccessary. You want to see what happens if all those people in dungeon actually overflow to the overworld and quest? Just because it is seasonal makes it that people are concentrated at a certain level band quest range. Unlike naturally where 1-60 individual leveling speed causes them to spread out.
how the fuck are people 40? I play every day at least 2 hours and am 33 lmao. Spamming dungeons and a lil questing. I do also have a 29 rogue too but still…
Don't touch dungeon leveling. Personally I don't nesecarrily prefer dungeon leveling to questing, but when it's so damn hard to get just one tag in openworld for quests, i just can't be bothered. If the world wasn't as overcrowded i would 100% be lvl 40 by now, but due to it being so overcrowded, i only get exp in weekends, when i have time to sit down and dungeon level. Openworld just isn't an option as pala.. all the hunters, mages and boomies tag mobs WAY! before i ever can, so i spend 20mins killing 10 tigers. And thats while im in a group! So imo dungeon leveling is my only viable option 🙂
Warriors and the rage gen right now is kinda dog water. Especially in gnomer….
I do find that actually questing and not dungeon spamming is so much more fun, the open world pvp and interactions is what the game should be about
Thank god lock keeps flying under the nerf radar , having far too much fun with my destro rn
Ya sure let’s buff the class that’s the biggest fucking issue in the game right now (cough Druid cough). Buffing swipe for threat is fine. Giving balance more damage (bug ya whatever) is a huge mistake.