Game Director, Ion Hazzikostas, and Preach sat down for an interview to discuss the upcoming changes in Shadowlands Patch 9.1. During this interview, they …
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I think there’s a lot of great points but your solution is bad. I’d just rather see them have gear brackets to group Item levels and ratings or some sort of system like if your 2100 in 3s you can’t be vsing people under 1600 is 2s and have the rbg bracket seperate
In my view he cannot see further than the end of his nose… The problem is not that there is 10% or 20% of dmg between fully geared people and lesser geared people… The problem is that arenas are only damage based ! If areans would be based on pvp and not pve aka on cc & positionning and not on damage, then this issue is not an issue anymore !
Back in the days, top players could farm people using 3 expansions behind weapons etc… this is not possible anymore… because damage have a too wide window in arenas !
@ 3:30 i disagree with you. Leveled a fresh group got my 185 ilvl, Went into LFG found a mage that was pretty descent first sesh got to my 1400 and 1 ring and weapon that night. maybe a few hours of gameplay. (yes trolls go on and blame the class)
@4:21 Yes you face over geared RBG heros. You get smashed. You move on? If you are learning Arenas your gonna get smashed vs equaled geared more skilled players. Just a fact. Me and my mage LFG bud face 40k rets and won. Why? Cause we dealt with wings like we should of. Did we go vs other rets and 1 shot us? yes. Know what we did? Reque and moved on tried to play better.
@6:40 I like this system. Getting to a rating and upgrading gear feels good to me. I don't want a set that i get the first month and that's what it is. Just saying having a full challenger gear, I wanna farm that 1800 to get that 7ilvl across the board to upgrade. That makes me wanna play more and not get stagnant. What may work for you, ,may not work for someone else.
Over all my dude can things be better? Sure. But gear should matter. Skill should matter. When you go up vs ungeared Glads ( you know they are casue of titles and mounts) "Almost" no matter how much gear you got. You will be outplayed. Lower rated people wanna be better practice. Farm gear while your learning. There is a skill gap. Could things be done to fix that and help people learn pvp better sure? But i dont agree that ilvl is the biggest reason ppl are getting wrecked in arenas.
to say gear gap is due to lack of skill tells us exactly how out of touch the devs are with the state of WoW……even in pve this is ignorant to say, if you have 2 raiders with same skill level, but 1 has 20 ilvl than the other….guess whos gonna top the charts??
also 100 percent agree, stop changing the system every xpac, I swear they only do it to add more "length" to the game.
Why I'll never waste my time of PVP. Nothing like being average Joe stepping into the ring with Superman or Darkseid, to make you feel like. Well shit this is my life or was now.
Man to hell with those people stoopz, those people are the type to boost their friends/twitch followers for ‘content’ but I couldn’t agree more with the video as I’ve had far too many carry groups that obliterate me and my teammate in 2s which really pushed me away from shadowlands since I’ve completed everything I wanted to complete and just like to vibe out in some arenas.
The new pvp system will be fine, If there isn't a reason to push rating for better gear pvp will get boring quick, And now pvp gear won't be good in pve content so you won't get stomped by pve players getting rating for gear for pve
I don't think you need o crush anyone's ilvl. There just needs to be a much faster way to gear an alt for PvP. There also has to be a much more leapable wall for new players to get over instead of just being one-shot by boomkins, fmages and rets. I am super casual, but it isn't fun seeing tons of ppl with only 25k HP regardless of which team they are on. It's like they might as well not even exist. That has to feel really shitty for a new player to the game. I personally would not continue my sub as a new player to this shitshow.
The guy literally says he wants to create a new char and immidiatly compete with 226 pvp geared peoples who spent their time to earn this gear. 20% of difference OMG ITS FUCKING MMORPG, you exchange your time for that gear and must be rewarded by annihilating every1 else who doesn't pay this time
cata : make an alt -> craft 377 gear -> destroy ppl in bgs get some 390 gear -> cap your arena get 403 items and DONE . Thats it all . its 2021 everybody is busy and with the short amount of time we have to entertain ourself we cant spend that much time in BGS to get SMASHED And then to not even get invited to do arenas :)))) this system is ridicules humans are Progressing everyday and system must become updated and Better but what blizzard is doing is littrely making it worse and worse and they have US as community to tell them that they are doing it wrong but indeed they dont give a dayum
Also if you ban gold boosting that hurts guilds to earn gold. Sorry but I think removing an avenue of gold making for guilds is bad. If you remove pvp gold making then you have to remove heroic raid boosting and m+ boosting. Can't just remove one form and allow the others
Guilds are more important than a side game (pvp). Pvp balance is important but the solution isn't to remove something so vital to raiding guilds.
Pvp doesn't require any real gold investments but for example my guild easily can blow through a mill on a fresh new tier in consumables. Quadruple that if we're buying boes. Etc
How do you think we earn that gold?
Like guilds are similar to a business. And your success hinges on multiple factors. Right on the top of success is in game currency.
Yeah I find the whole thing incredibly problematic. I returned to the game after leaving in MoP, and the whole PvP experience is really awful now, from gearing to actually playing.
Blizz devs needs to eat some bricks…no worries, ashes of creation is soon out so they can watch the wall soon and sit on the shitpile they made themselves 🙂
The problem IS LFR NORMAL HEROIC AND MYTHIC its not the pvp scaling gear the only reason the pvp gear scales so much is cause PVE HAS 4 different levels which in old days we never did…. even if they scaled pvp gear down ppl would just use pve gear to pvp like BFA THE WHOLE WOW SYSTEM IS DOG SHIT. Back in the day you could actually win arena in blue gear lol cause item levels werent fuckin 300 item level difference in 1 expansion. IN SHORT get rid of lfr and normals lol useless content or what stoopz said reduce item level gap i guess.
I think there’s a lot of great points but your solution is bad. I’d just rather see them have gear brackets to group Item levels and ratings or some sort of system like if your 2100 in 3s you can’t be vsing people under 1600 is 2s and have the rbg bracket seperate
This is the only man who knows what he's talking about. Blizzard needs to hire such people.
I just came back with a fresh account and I am trying to get geared up and getting fucking blown up at every turn. Its so frustrating
Btw anyone else understood what he meant by " funneling all that gold into classic " mindfucked me quite alot.
People wanted the gear crutch, Blizz gave it to them, now everyone's upset they're getting rolled
In my view he cannot see further than the end of his nose… The problem is not that there is 10% or 20% of dmg between fully geared people and lesser geared people…
The problem is that arenas are only damage based ! If areans would be based on pvp and not pve aka on cc & positionning and not on damage, then this issue is not an issue anymore !
Back in the days, top players could farm people using 3 expansions behind weapons etc… this is not possible anymore… because damage have a too wide window in arenas !
@ 3:30 i disagree with you. Leveled a fresh group got my 185 ilvl, Went into LFG found a mage that was pretty descent first sesh got to my 1400 and 1 ring and weapon that night. maybe a few hours of gameplay. (yes trolls go on and blame the class)
@4:21 Yes you face over geared RBG heros. You get smashed. You move on? If you are learning Arenas your gonna get smashed vs equaled geared more skilled players. Just a fact. Me and my mage LFG bud face 40k rets and won. Why? Cause we dealt with wings like we should of. Did we go vs other rets and 1 shot us? yes. Know what we did? Reque and moved on tried to play better.
@6:40 I like this system. Getting to a rating and upgrading gear feels good to me. I don't want a set that i get the first month and that's what it is. Just saying having a full challenger gear, I wanna farm that 1800 to get that 7ilvl across the board to upgrade. That makes me wanna play more and not get stagnant. What may work for you, ,may not work for someone else.
Over all my dude can things be better? Sure. But gear should matter. Skill should matter. When you go up vs ungeared Glads ( you know they are casue of titles and mounts) "Almost" no matter how much gear you got. You will be outplayed. Lower rated people wanna be better practice. Farm gear while your learning. There is a skill gap. Could things be done to fix that and help people learn pvp better sure? But i dont agree that ilvl is the biggest reason ppl are getting wrecked in arenas.
to say gear gap is due to lack of skill tells us exactly how out of touch the devs are with the state of WoW……even in pve this is ignorant to say, if you have 2 raiders with same skill level, but 1 has 20 ilvl than the other….guess whos gonna top the charts??
also 100 percent agree, stop changing the system every xpac, I swear they only do it to add more "length" to the game.
i was gearing my hunter in arena at around 1.7 and every game was someone being boosted
They should fire Ian that has to be one of the worst responses I’ve ever heard. Gtfo dude
Why I'll never waste my time of PVP. Nothing like being average Joe stepping into the ring with Superman or Darkseid, to make you feel like. Well shit this is my life or was now.
Would love to see one last giant overhaul to pvp on all levels and then like an actual team devoted to it
#Sack-Ion
"There is nothing preventing you from being globaled."
Dude, if you go into an arena and had no resillence or even pvp power, you got globaled.
You dont know what you're talking about.
Man to hell with those people stoopz, those people are the type to boost their friends/twitch followers for ‘content’ but I couldn’t agree more with the video as I’ve had far too many carry groups that obliterate me and my teammate in 2s which really pushed me away from shadowlands since I’ve completed everything I wanted to complete and just like to vibe out in some arenas.
The new pvp system will be fine, If there isn't a reason to push rating for better gear pvp will get boring quick, And now pvp gear won't be good in pve content so you won't get stomped by pve players getting rating for gear for pve
Im done
This game is pure shit and dead, keep that in mind
Stoopzz is the kinda guy that would wake you up at a sleep over to let you know he’s going to bed.
Wake me up when Ian is gone…
I don't think you need o crush anyone's ilvl. There just needs to be a much faster way to gear an alt for PvP. There also has to be a much more leapable wall for new players to get over instead of just being one-shot by boomkins, fmages and rets. I am super casual, but it isn't fun seeing tons of ppl with only 25k HP regardless of which team they are on. It's like they might as well not even exist. That has to feel really shitty for a new player to the game. I personally would not continue my sub as a new player to this shitshow.
The guy literally says he wants to create a new char and immidiatly compete with 226 pvp geared peoples who spent their time to earn this gear. 20% of difference OMG ITS FUCKING MMORPG, you exchange your time for that gear and must be rewarded by annihilating every1 else who doesn't pay this time
cata : make an alt -> craft 377 gear -> destroy ppl in bgs get some 390 gear -> cap your arena get 403 items and DONE . Thats it all . its 2021 everybody is busy and with the short amount of time we have to entertain ourself we cant spend that much time in BGS to get SMASHED And then to not even get invited to do arenas :)))) this system is ridicules humans are Progressing everyday and system must become updated and Better but what blizzard is doing is littrely making it worse and worse and they have US as community to tell them that they are doing it wrong but indeed they dont give a dayum
Thank you for putting out these videos about the game we all love. We need a real pvp dev. hope you get the postion.
Proposition: if you already have the 197 honor gear, you can trade it back in for 50% of the value of the equivalent conquest piece?
They should just hire you!! I just couldnt agree more.
Lmao stoopz at the very end of this video sums up most people's entire experience with shadowlands pvp thus far.
Boosting is not the problem
It's definitely been a thing for years
Also if you ban gold boosting that hurts guilds to earn gold. Sorry but I think removing an avenue of gold making for guilds is bad. If you remove pvp gold making then you have to remove heroic raid boosting and m+ boosting. Can't just remove one form and allow the others
Guilds are more important than a side game (pvp). Pvp balance is important but the solution isn't to remove something so vital to raiding guilds.
Pvp doesn't require any real gold investments but for example my guild easily can blow through a mill on a fresh new tier in consumables. Quadruple that if we're buying boes. Etc
How do you think we earn that gold?
Like guilds are similar to a business. And your success hinges on multiple factors. Right on the top of success is in game currency.
i already quit sl , this isnt fun
Play a different game they don't care, and are taking your money…
Thank god i quit WoW 😂
Goddamn. This is 100% accurate.
Yeah I find the whole thing incredibly problematic. I returned to the game after leaving in MoP, and the whole PvP experience is really awful now, from gearing to actually playing.
Blizz devs needs to eat some bricks…no worries, ashes of creation is soon out so they can watch the wall soon and sit on the shitpile they made themselves 🙂
PVP in a PVE game.
Quit wow.. dont want to support current wow team anymore 🙁
The problem IS LFR NORMAL HEROIC AND MYTHIC its not the pvp scaling gear the only reason the pvp gear scales so much is cause PVE HAS 4 different levels which in old days we never did…. even if they scaled pvp gear down ppl would just use pve gear to pvp like BFA THE WHOLE WOW SYSTEM IS DOG SHIT. Back in the day you could actually win arena in blue gear lol cause item levels werent fuckin 300 item level difference in 1 expansion. IN SHORT get rid of lfr and normals lol useless content or what stoopz said reduce item level gap i guess.