28 thoughts on “Why The Emperor Kept Chaos Secret”
My personal headcannon is that you can either completely deny the existence of Chaos… or hyper inform the population so they know making deals with it is a horrible idea. But when you have thousands of planets, well. The first is WAY easier.
How does anything Fabius said here makes sense. He admitted he uses them, therefore they exist. Whether material or not concepts even can exist. His logic should not work unless daemons are simply hurt by words and if that's the case a do grey knights just scream "you're not real" like children denying boogiemen?
I don't fully agree Emps made the right decision. Yes, you deny the chaos gods power, by bot knowing they exist, but it would've been better if he himself didnt know about chaos. He's a smart guy, I'm sure he could've found a way to erase knowledge of the chaos gods from his mind, while not sacrificing his end goal.
Yeah, he wouldn't know why, but he's a man of resolve, so I'd imagine instinctively he'd keep doing what he planned on doing.
The problem with The Emperor's method, is that the Imperial Truth was on outright lie. Jaghatai seemed to know this was the case from the get go, along with Magnus.
This means he would have to keep the lie going for who knows how long, as The Imperium grew. In the setting where space magic, a warp spirit, and demons exist…it would grew increasingly difficult for people not to ask questions.
Additionally, do you know terrible the blowback would be if the truth truly came out. How many people would distrust and turn on the Emperor?
tl;dr – The Emperor's Plan with the Imperial Truth was at best a house of cards.
Hindsight is 20/20. People love to give the Emperor crap for keeping Chaos and his great plan to steer humanity secret, but it was the safest option at the time. Keep in mind that Horus turned traitor because of his own ambition, not because he was ignorant of Chaos. He was made fully aware by Magnus that Erebus was decieving him, and knew of warp entities by that point, and still decided "if anyone should be Emperor, it should be me". Horus has no excuse.
Funny thing, there is one human faction that let his people fully aware the existence of chaos and preparing for them, and then get wipe out of existence after imperium come.
its a shame how difficult it is to deny the reality of something when it starts tearing you up if only humanity could be so stalwart in their beliefs XD
Fabius Bile, suffering from multiple imminent organ failure due to seeing a very real fragment of Slaanesh Slaanesh: GoDs ARe REaL!!! Bile 7 seconds from a literal heart attack: Nuh uh!!
Also, people may say "man, I'll sell my soul for(insert miniscule object here)" Well in the 40k, that's a soul binding contract. Imagine all the desperate, depressed and outright bored people that would 10000% have the ability to just give up their souls unknowingly…
Me: "I'm so hungry, I would kill for a double cheeseburger" Korn: (duct tapes 2 axes to my hands) "say less fam"
The state of the 40k universe prior to the indomitus crusade is irrefutable proof that big E was wrong, which is made clear by Gman and the Lion both, among a whole host of other characters.
That is by far the most counter productive reason for why he did not tell them, cause from the way this was told even if he did tell them they still would have fallen to chaos so not telling them was just his way of hoping his son would just believe in him and hope they did not fall to chaos
Fabius considers daemons how a programmer considers current-age AI. Some people actually consider that these large language model AIs to have a shred of sentience. Anyone versed in programming and computers know that your AI waifu is just a fancy word predictor
Fabius rejects the Chaos Gitz because he understands that they are the accumulated sentient emotions of sapient beings. They on their own have no real existence. They are like whirlpools at sea that seek to perpetuate themselves. A fish is not water but lives in it, but a whirlpool is water that seems alive but is nothing outside of the water itself.
My personal headcannon is that you can either completely deny the existence of Chaos… or hyper inform the population so they know making deals with it is a horrible idea. But when you have thousands of planets, well. The first is WAY easier.
How does anything Fabius said here makes sense. He admitted he uses them, therefore they exist. Whether material or not concepts even can exist. His logic should not work unless daemons are simply hurt by words and if that's the case a do grey knights just scream "you're not real" like children denying boogiemen?
I don't fully agree Emps made the right decision. Yes, you deny the chaos gods power, by bot knowing they exist, but it would've been better if he himself didnt know about chaos. He's a smart guy, I'm sure he could've found a way to erase knowledge of the chaos gods from his mind, while not sacrificing his end goal.
Yeah, he wouldn't know why, but he's a man of resolve, so I'd imagine instinctively he'd keep doing what he planned on doing.
The problem with The Emperor's method, is that the Imperial Truth was on outright lie. Jaghatai seemed to know this was the case from the get go, along with Magnus.
This means he would have to keep the lie going for who knows how long, as The Imperium grew. In the setting where space magic, a warp spirit, and demons exist…it would grew increasingly difficult for people not to ask questions.
Additionally, do you know terrible the blowback would be if the truth truly came out. How many people would distrust and turn on the Emperor?
tl;dr – The Emperor's Plan with the Imperial Truth was at best a house of cards.
Hindsight is 20/20. People love to give the Emperor crap for keeping Chaos and his great plan to steer humanity secret, but it was the safest option at the time. Keep in mind that Horus turned traitor because of his own ambition, not because he was ignorant of Chaos. He was made fully aware by Magnus that Erebus was decieving him, and knew of warp entities by that point, and still decided "if anyone should be Emperor, it should be me". Horus has no excuse.
Ok but he should have 100% told the primarchs or at least fuckin Magnus
Funny thing, there is one human faction that let his people fully aware the existence of chaos and preparing for them, and then get wipe out of existence after imperium come.
Fabius took a page out of Cpt. Hook’s playbook and said “I don’t believe in fairies”
Fabius is such a badass. He loaths chaos so much it's funny.
I mean the interex knew and they were pretty all right, well until they met Horus that is
Nope, we really wonder about why the Emperor never told anyone about the female custodes guarding the palace's kitchens for ages…
Funk G Wokeshop!
its a shame how difficult it is to deny the reality of something when it starts tearing you up
if only humanity could be so stalwart in their beliefs XD
Fabius Bile, suffering from multiple imminent organ failure due to seeing a very real fragment of Slaanesh
Slaanesh: GoDs ARe REaL!!!
Bile 7 seconds from a literal heart attack:
Nuh uh!!
“i can literally soul rape you, i’m a go-“
“ NUH UH “
“WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN NUH UH, I’M SOUL RAPING YOU AS WE SPEAK.”
Also, people may say "man, I'll sell my soul for(insert miniscule object here)"
Well in the 40k, that's a soul binding contract. Imagine all the desperate, depressed and outright bored people that would 10000% have the ability to just give up their souls unknowingly…
Me: "I'm so hungry, I would kill for a double cheeseburger"
Korn: (duct tapes 2 axes to my hands) "say less fam"
Some looks pretty hot, I worship one lol
Bile: “Na, you ain’t real. Walk over that ridge and tell me what you see, fakeboi.”
Dude had a full on conversation with Slaanesh itself and was like "lol, no."
The state of the 40k universe prior to the indomitus crusade is irrefutable proof that big E was wrong, which is made clear by Gman and the Lion both, among a whole host of other characters.
That is by far the most counter productive reason for why he did not tell them, cause from the way this was told even if he did tell them they still would have fallen to chaos so not telling them was just his way of hoping his son would just believe in him and hope they did not fall to chaos
Opposite of reality, knowledge protects ignorance endangers.
That might be why the emperor wanted humanity to be more technologically advanced instead of religious
Fabius looking into the eye of terror: “nah, not real”
holy emperor….never knew fabious bile could be such a badass 😂😅
To be fair, Chaos is more known by the general public in fantasy so it makes sense to be confused as to why Big E and the IoM deny their existence.
Fabius considers daemons how a programmer considers current-age AI. Some people actually consider that these large language model AIs to have a shred of sentience. Anyone versed in programming and computers know that your AI waifu is just a fancy word predictor
Fabius rejects the Chaos Gitz because he understands that they are the accumulated sentient emotions of sapient beings. They on their own have no real existence. They are like whirlpools at sea that seek to perpetuate themselves. A fish is not water but lives in it, but a whirlpool is water that seems alive but is nothing outside of the water itself.
Fabius “Chad” Bile