30 thoughts on “World of Warcraft's New Race Cannot Play As Death Knight's”
If they wanted to create a basic reason for them to be able to be DKs, I think they could simply make them the only example of a non-undead DK in the lore (every other race is raised into undeath and then made a DK).
It's not like characters in the lore have to be undead to be a Necromancer, for instance. I don't think it's an insane stretch for there to be living Death Knights, even if it's a novel thing in the lore.
Having said that, I'm personally of the mindset that lore shouldn't limit gameplay potential, especially since they seemed to be learning more towards this angle previously. I think we can live in a world where the lore can be mostly its own thing and gameplay can contradict that and be ultimately harmless because it's gameplay. Lightforged Warlocks, for instance, are not exactly lore-friendly.
I wouldn't mind it if only they hadn't already ruined the lore by allowing Lightforged to be Warlocks, like, honestly I think that's more Lorebreaking.
An earthen could have been reanimated in the same way Gargoyls are animated by the scourge. Heck, would have given us an excuse to give us Frostborne skins and maybe even Iron dwarf skins for the DK ones.
it would not make any sense for them to be Deathknights and the people complaining are just doing that for the sake of complaining nothing new. Lore wise they wouldnt be deathknights as the Og races were turned by Arthas while the allied races were turned by bolvar after shadowlands it really would not make sense to have new races be deathknights right away or even at all considering we went to the shadowlands and dealt directly with the guy responsible for the lich king in the first place so there isnt anyone who can create deathknight as far as i know even bolvar lost that power when the helm of domination was destroyed. deathknights and Demon hunter are backed into a really bad corner lore wise as deathknights dont have any way to be created currently and Demon hunter dont have a need to teach other races how to be them as demons are not really a threat anymore
you can be a rock infused with death magic, anyone who thinks thats impossible are forgetting instances where that is the case like all the tree/wicker people in that one Kul'tirian zone.. this is actully a huge waste of time and resources when BLIZZARD PLAN TO MAKE ALL CLASSES USABLE ON ALL RACES…. ZOVALL IS LEGIT STONE OR METAL INFUSED WITH DEATH MAGIC.. "
It makes sense at least why earthen can’t be dks. Still not sure how lightforged warlocks and shadow priests work since they’re literally infused with light magic.
3:00 i hate that oh its hard we cant do it, BRO we got a new starting zone for every class we got a new starting zone for new players and they dont even understand it. we can 100% get new and keep the old zones for new races/classes. when other races get DH and they can lore wise they just have to pass the fuckin ritual and not let the demon take over they could easily do that shit. DKs im pretty sure didnt we fuckin raise a dragon without a helm as the player aswell as the four horsemen? if not who cares make a way to always make DKS. cause i know blizz plan is to make light themed undead so light DKs or light knights will be a thing soon so just do it necromancers exist in the lore why not bring that class in make bolvar have those guys res people for the forsaken (not calia) icc becomes the new forsaken home yada yada. they just suck dick at their job i could come up with 1000s of answers to everything they just are to lazy to implement it. 20 year old game only 4 new classes, 0 new spec with 1 spec being removed to add a spec (outlaw rogue replaced combat rogue instead of them making a pirate/buccaneer/swashbuckler class) , 3 new starting zones (arguably 2 since dracthyr zone is a zone players can go to), 7-8 allied races that should have been basic sub choices for current races with 7-8 new actual races, like nah they just dont wanna work on shit that matters. they constantly work on endgame when it was fine it never needed more than 1 difficulty mythic plus in legion was fine as is minus the rewards being gear instead of it being a challenge mode like the mage tower, constant new power gain systems instead of gear being the power gain, removal of gem slots from tbc to wrath era was dumb as fuck, they work on endgame so much when everything else need actual love and endgame just needs to be basic as fuck with a hardcore challenge mode for raids and dungeons that dont reward more item level but instead an achievement and title to flex maybe even a fuckin tabard or custom back piece.
I don't mind them not being DKs, but the fact that one of the follower NPCs is an Earthen druid, and there are many Earthen druid NPCs in Khaz Algar, but player Earthen can't be is just odd.
Dracthyr and Earthen DKs need a new intro to exist as it doesn't make sense for them to exist as one until theres a new canonical reason for the creation of more death knights. so i really hope they do that. honestly it could be quick and easy to have new death knights created by darion, or maybe as a shadowlands related thing through the primus? no idea. but all i know is that i will main Dracthyr Frost DK as soon as its an option.
This is not an issue. DK is available to so many races, including the other dwarf races. The argument for druids is different. Druid should be available to some other races, like humans and orcs. Humans have been allied with the night elves long enough to have learned druidic magic, and worgen are literally cursed humans so it would make sense. Orcs have a very deep connection to shamanism and the ancients, which is not too far from druidism. Nature and the elements go hand in hand, so it would make sense that some orcs would be able to be druids, especially being allied with Trolls for so long. You can probably make the same argument for some other races. The only reason these aren't a thing is because it would require some work for their forms and they can't be bothered to do that.
Earthen DKscould be possible lorewise, just have to be Northrend Earthen who's been in proximity to the Lich ing, similar to how we got Worgen DKs back in cataclysm (servants of Arugal). But the playable Earthen we're getting now, it doesn't make loresense to let thm be DKs. Then again, they're rocks, so it wouldn't make much sense, unless Blizzard did a redo of the curse of flesh, which would just turn the earthen into dwarves. And frankly, I'm happy about it, it shows that Blizzard still cares about the game's lore, at least a little. IThough 'd be more worried if Blizzard let them be warlocks.
the games lore is already a shitstorm , massive chunks in lore already dont match, we need new players to play what they think is cool looking not restrictions because of some butt hurt grown up complaining about lore that dont match in a video game.
still think they should have stuck with the lore of races to classes than let anyone be everything. but thats coming from a very long term player who wished attunement to raid was still a thing and that was the only way to get tier. heyho
i can't see earthern druids tbh .. why should they be able to become druids ? shamans .. yeah i can see that but druids? .. everyone who is sad about them not getting druids or for that fact Dk .. it just wouldn't make sense .. it is the same reason why there are no undead paladin or nightelf shamans
In terms of Night Elf Paladins, I’d happily take a golden pony if it meant being able to have the class option. Or just recolor the BFA priestess nightsabre mount to be extra golden and shiny and I think it might fit well as a Pally mount.
Stone DKs are a tougher sell, but ultimately with how many lore issues WoW has had over 20 years I’m game for allowing most all race/class combinations.
It makes sense lore vise. Since there is no longer a Lich King any new race that is to be added won't be able to be a DK. They kind of wrote themselves into a corner on that one
If they wanted to create a basic reason for them to be able to be DKs, I think they could simply make them the only example of a non-undead DK in the lore (every other race is raised into undeath and then made a DK).
It's not like characters in the lore have to be undead to be a Necromancer, for instance. I don't think it's an insane stretch for there to be living Death Knights, even if it's a novel thing in the lore.
Having said that, I'm personally of the mindset that lore shouldn't limit gameplay potential, especially since they seemed to be learning more towards this angle previously. I think we can live in a world where the lore can be mostly its own thing and gameplay can contradict that and be ultimately harmless because it's gameplay. Lightforged Warlocks, for instance, are not exactly lore-friendly.
I wouldn't mind it if only they hadn't already ruined the lore by allowing Lightforged to be Warlocks, like, honestly I think that's more Lorebreaking.
An earthen could have been reanimated in the same way Gargoyls are animated by the scourge. Heck, would have given us an excuse to give us Frostborne skins and maybe even Iron dwarf skins for the DK ones.
Not every race needs to have access to every class.
Makes sense to me.
One way they could implement "Death knight" Earthen, is if they call them Deathforged. Like Earthen built with Death runes to mimic DK powers.
it would not make any sense for them to be Deathknights and the people complaining are just doing that for the sake of complaining nothing new. Lore wise they wouldnt be deathknights as the Og races were turned by Arthas while the allied races were turned by bolvar after shadowlands it really would not make sense to have new races be deathknights right away or even at all considering we went to the shadowlands and dealt directly with the guy responsible for the lich king in the first place so there isnt anyone who can create deathknight as far as i know even bolvar lost that power when the helm of domination was destroyed. deathknights and Demon hunter are backed into a really bad corner lore wise as deathknights dont have any way to be created currently and Demon hunter dont have a need to teach other races how to be them as demons are not really a threat anymore
I just want undead druids.
you can be a rock infused with death magic, anyone who thinks thats impossible are forgetting instances where that is the case like all the tree/wicker people in that one Kul'tirian zone.. this is actully a huge waste of time and resources when BLIZZARD PLAN TO MAKE ALL CLASSES USABLE ON ALL RACES…. ZOVALL IS LEGIT STONE OR METAL INFUSED WITH DEATH MAGIC.. "
It makes sense at least why earthen can’t be dks. Still not sure how lightforged warlocks and shadow priests work since they’re literally infused with light magic.
…..why would bolvar resurrect dirt to be a DK???
Blizzard adds yet another dwarf race, so annoying it’s nothing actually new. So lazy…
3:00 i hate that oh its hard we cant do it, BRO we got a new starting zone for every class we got a new starting zone for new players and they dont even understand it. we can 100% get new and keep the old zones for new races/classes. when other races get DH and they can lore wise they just have to pass the fuckin ritual and not let the demon take over they could easily do that shit. DKs im pretty sure didnt we fuckin raise a dragon without a helm as the player aswell as the four horsemen? if not who cares make a way to always make DKS. cause i know blizz plan is to make light themed undead so light DKs or light knights will be a thing soon so just do it necromancers exist in the lore why not bring that class in make bolvar have those guys res people for the forsaken (not calia) icc becomes the new forsaken home yada yada. they just suck dick at their job i could come up with 1000s of answers to everything they just are to lazy to implement it. 20 year old game only 4 new classes, 0 new spec with 1 spec being removed to add a spec (outlaw rogue replaced combat rogue instead of them making a pirate/buccaneer/swashbuckler class) , 3 new starting zones (arguably 2 since dracthyr zone is a zone players can go to), 7-8 allied races that should have been basic sub choices for current races with 7-8 new actual races, like nah they just dont wanna work on shit that matters. they constantly work on endgame when it was fine it never needed more than 1 difficulty mythic plus in legion was fine as is minus the rewards being gear instead of it being a challenge mode like the mage tower, constant new power gain systems instead of gear being the power gain, removal of gem slots from tbc to wrath era was dumb as fuck, they work on endgame so much when everything else need actual love and endgame just needs to be basic as fuck with a hardcore challenge mode for raids and dungeons that dont reward more item level but instead an achievement and title to flex maybe even a fuckin tabard or custom back piece.
I still havent come to terms with Tauren rogues and Troll paladins
please stop using matt as the thumbnails
"New Race" 🙃
I don't mind them not being DKs, but the fact that one of the follower NPCs is an Earthen druid, and there are many Earthen druid NPCs in Khaz Algar, but player Earthen can't be is just odd.
Dracthyr and Earthen DKs need a new intro to exist as it doesn't make sense for them to exist as one until theres a new canonical reason for the creation of more death knights. so i really hope they do that. honestly it could be quick and easy to have new death knights created by darion, or maybe as a shadowlands related thing through the primus? no idea. but all i know is that i will main Dracthyr Frost DK as soon as its an option.
Who cares?
Good, let's pretend lore still kind of matters. Genuine non issue
This is not an issue. DK is available to so many races, including the other dwarf races. The argument for druids is different. Druid should be available to some other races, like humans and orcs. Humans have been allied with the night elves long enough to have learned druidic magic, and worgen are literally cursed humans so it would make sense. Orcs have a very deep connection to shamanism and the ancients, which is not too far from druidism. Nature and the elements go hand in hand, so it would make sense that some orcs would be able to be druids, especially being allied with Trolls for so long. You can probably make the same argument for some other races. The only reason these aren't a thing is because it would require some work for their forms and they can't be bothered to do that.
Legion had rock bear forms and tree cat forms. No biggie in the druid department with the Drust passing that knowledge around.
Earthen DKscould be possible lorewise, just have to be Northrend Earthen who's been in proximity to the Lich ing, similar to how we got Worgen DKs back in cataclysm (servants of Arugal). But the playable Earthen we're getting now, it doesn't make loresense to let thm be DKs.
Then again, they're rocks, so it wouldn't make much sense, unless Blizzard did a redo of the curse of flesh, which would just turn the earthen into dwarves.
And frankly, I'm happy about it, it shows that Blizzard still cares about the game's lore, at least a little.
IThough 'd be more worried if Blizzard let them be warlocks.
Pretty hard to raise a stone from the dead
the games lore is already a shitstorm , massive chunks in lore already dont match, we need new players to play what they think is cool looking not restrictions because of some butt hurt grown up complaining about lore that dont match in a video game.
still think they should have stuck with the lore of races to classes than let anyone be everything. but thats coming from a very long term player who wished attunement to raid was still a thing and that was the only way to get tier. heyho
i can't see earthern druids tbh .. why should they be able to become druids ? shamans .. yeah i can see that but druids? .. everyone who is sad about them not getting druids or for that fact Dk .. it just wouldn't make sense .. it is the same reason why there are no undead paladin or nightelf shamans
Why make more unique Paladin mounts when they can just put more mounts on the store?
In terms of Night Elf Paladins, I’d happily take a golden pony if it meant being able to have the class option. Or just recolor the BFA priestess nightsabre mount to be extra golden and shiny and I think it might fit well as a Pally mount.
Stone DKs are a tougher sell, but ultimately with how many lore issues WoW has had over 20 years I’m game for allowing most all race/class combinations.
It makes sense lore vise. Since there is no longer a Lich King any new race that is to be added won't be able to be a DK. They kind of wrote themselves into a corner on that one
We pasted lore reason a LONG time ago.