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What are some of the biggest retcons to the lore as Shadowlands is about to be released?
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As with any World of Warcraft expansion some retcons are natural but looks like Shadowlands is bringing more retcons than ever.
The Shadowlands retcons aren’t even just about quantity but quality as some of these retcons are literally shaking the lore to the core. From major retcons like the origin of the Dreadlords and the Lich King all the way to minor details such as Afterlives Uther’s last words and the change of Scourge architecture to be inspired by Maldraxxus.
What do you see as the biggest retcons in the Shadowlands?
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What do you guys see as the biggest retcons? Also I'd like to thank ArcheAge: Unchained for making this video possible, check it out here: https://bit.ly/37DPWr1
Remember that Chronicle is written in a Titan perspective.
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Lots of augmentation of lore, but not really alot of retcon. In other words, we are just getting alot if answers, and more backstory. The Twisting Nether for instance was believed to be the afterlife, and we were only told this from the point if view of mortal races on Azeroth, mainly humans. They didn't know about the Shadowlands.
How is the first one a retcon? They told you that they're infiltrating the legion in shadowlands they didnt change the story they're elaborating more thats all, so its not a retcon lol
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It's a bit awkward that Blizzard makes us think that beings that were subjugated by Sargeras actually tricked us into believing that they were his subjects but in fact they work for a new final boss.
So when it seems convenient, any creature actually works for some unknown boss and so they continue to take expansions altering the continuity and removing the emotional charge from certain characters, in this case Sargeras, Kil'Jaeden, the Lich King.
I swear every point felt like "Number # is the biggest retcon ever yet [blahblah] so technicaly it isn't a retcon at all".
There is no lore in wow, it's just a bunch of glue huffing monkies flinging shit at a board.
Do you think that Arthas could have won against the Burning Legion?
I like the kyrian spirit healer retcon. It just fits the game nicely.
Does anyone know the size of Archeage's playerbase?
Pulling lore out of their ass in order to justify a game mechanic is a big mistake. It raises several problems, for example how come literally only players get this chance. Throughout the decades none of the countless victims of war had unresolved issues worthy of being given a second chance by the spirit healer?
I find this story very interesting:
Ulthalesh was a nathrezim who rose to take control of the prison dimension of Mardum, where the titan Sargeras imprisoned his defeated demon foes in the ages prior to him becoming the Dark Titan. The dreadlord ruled the planet with an iron fist, plotting for the day when he would exact his vengeance against Sargeras. When the titan later returned and shattered Mardum to recruit forces for the Burning Legion, scores of demons refused to join him and instead rallied around Ulthalesh. In answer to the challenge, Sargeras forged a great felsteel scythe from the fires of Mardum's destruction and used it to harvest the souls of the rebellious demons, trapping them in a new prison. Ulthalesh, strongest of will, was the last to be devoured. Sargeras named the weapon Ulthalesh after the dreadlord who had opposed him.[1]
Over the ages, the Dark Titan bestowed the blade on nathrezim, doomlords and even demigods, only to see their spirits be devoured by the scythe as they fell. Over the wailing of souls trapped within the weapon, the titan could hear Ulthalesh's grim laughter. Sargeras would eventually give the scythe to an eredar named Sataiel, who used it to drain the life from the inhabitants of the land later called Deadwind Pass, creating a massive crater filled with roiling magical energies in the process. Sataiel knew that this newly-created magical nexus was even more potent than the weapon she wielded, and also knew that she had to inform Sargeras, but Ulthalesh, whispering to her from within the scythe, urged her not to, saying that one day the two of them would be powerful enough to challenge the Dark Titan. When Sargeras learned of Sataiel's betrayal, he manipulated the Guardian of Tirisfal, a human named Scavell, into hunting her down. Scavell killed the eredar with her own weapon, which devoured her soul as it did so many before. Years later, Sargeras–now possessing the Guardian Medivh–sent the Dark Riders to find the scythe in order to deny Ulthalesh any further opportunities to gain more power through finding new wielders.[1]
According to A Hypothetical Examination of the Legion's Weaknesses, a tome outlawed and deemed apocryphal by the Legion, the scythe is one of the few things in the universe that Sargeras fears, and Ulthalesh has been playing his game with the Dark Titan for millennia. He knows the meaning of patience
I love the look of the spirit healers and val'kyr. And I especially love the priests passive sleep when they die and become a spirit healer for a few seconds. Or a val'kyr if you have the glyph. That's one of my favorites
Is it just me or since Legion has the Warcraft lore essentially run out and now each expansion they have to go
“well actually, this things you previously dealt with was actually really minor and was all part of this other plan from someone else. Plus this part of the cosmology is actually linked to this bit, and so on”.
It just seems to have got a bit convoluted at this point. Granted I haven’t played for two years now so that may be why it’s harder to follow.
The real retcon is them changing Sylvanas' clothes from original death knight, to hunter slut mog, then to hunter slutmog forced to comply with modesty laws.
So the Spirit Healers deemed Varian Wrynn was ready for death?. Also I just realised it is a possibility that Varian Wrynn could be in the Maw.
Prefer when they build on something or do something new entirely, rather than pull the wool from our eyes on past events. Not like this hasnt been their style forever though
It makes me miss when it was just orcs and humans lmao
Seriously does make deaths not feel important anymore (getting dbz vibes).
Honestly the perma death of Ursoc is the only one that hurts now haha. Better see Grom break out and scold his son
TA JAILA AAAAAAAAAAAAA
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He has a recipie for cocaine?
Could someone explain what it means World of Warcraft would not be the same?
Thanks, I hate the new lore.
Building up all this void lord stuff, now "Actually it was the Jailer, he was behind everything."
Like, come on! That's so lame to build up these massive villains for them just to be pawns of an even bigger bad guy. Now we have the top dog of it all. The guy who LITERALLY deals in ALL souls in the entire UNIVERSE.
And now, you're supposed to tell me that when the next expansion comes out that there will be an even BIGGER bad guy behind this one?
We somehow skipped everything related to the old gods, and now we deal with the guy who deals in souls…so everything with the Old Gods now is pointless and meaningless because some old dude that controls a part of THE BLOODY AFTERLIFE OF ALL THINGS! This also means the Old Gods are there too, WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!?
Blizzard can suck the biggest of all chickens, I'm glad I quit WoW.
The opposite of the titan isnt the void lords though, they are the naru's counterpart. Although, if ur a titan and hearing about fukin over glorified parasite that will turn your sleeping brother or sister into fascist titan. Sure they'll freak out.
Why all the retcons?
learning new information isn't a retcon dude. cmon. also have they even confirmed the dreadlord origins thing?
bruh you title a video being about retcons and your first 2 entries you even say yourself "not really a retcon" bruuuuuuhhhh Nobbel up boi.
If you pay attention,now the spirit healers are kyrians when players die in WoW Shadowlands.
bruh half of these are “this isnt REALLY a retcon” so why include them?
you did really promote Archeage Unchained? played it for some months, it's repetitive af, full of RMT and also everyone tries to scam you to profit. I hope you don't promote it in the future, i really like your videos
Bit clickbaity this title mate…
nice video.
I lost all respect for the lore.
Not only does the spirit healer not make more sense it’s changing lore brought in legion. He players like illidan have immortal souls and can re-enter their bodies.
I think people overuse the word retcon, Its not a retcon if lore is expanded on because you learn something new. Warcraft is an ever evolving storyline.
"Bu-but thats what they said in 2010"…ignorance at its finest.
I hope the LK was not simply Jailor's puppet but was actually a weapon out of control.
Maybe Uther only said this in his thoughts and still said the hell thing about Arthas
I agree, to me the spirit healer recton makes MUCH more sense, it could even explain why the champions (players) gets ressurected and not most characters, as maybe the champions has a great destiny and are almost never ready to die, unlike Varian for example who made up his time, of course, it also makes more sense about Sylvanas "7 surviving Val'kyrs" while there were all across the land, one small problem though might be that…how could they not know for Arthas if they were present in Azeroth? Even indirectly they should've felt that something was wrong
Point 5 is a big one. On one hand I like the idea of an expansive otherworld where spirits go and that leads to cool possibilities. Seeing old faces will be nice. I hope we get to see Garrosh Arthas and Varian the most. But also, it makes their stories and their deaths a little less impactful and it makes me question the importance/validity of the material plane
Kinda surprised that garrosh turning evil wasn't here
I thought the dreadlords originated from their homeworld of Nathreza not from the Shadowlands…no one mentions it here??
Here is how the Nerubians are linked to the Scourge: Through Yogg-Saron, the God Of *Death* who the Nerubians used to serve look very much like the arachnid race who are part of the House of Eyes resemble the Nerubians quite a lot not to mention that the Nerubians are immune the the plauge that most likley originated from the House of Plagues