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0:00 – Intro
1:25 – 9.0.5 Changes
2:17 – S+ Tier
4:35 – S Tier
6:12 – A Tier
8:10 – B Tier
9:21 – Trash
9:42 – Tier List Recap
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Concepts: tier list, casters, best pvp casters, shadowlands caster tier list, 9.0.5 tier list, fire mage, beast mastery hunter
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s+: combustion
other tiers: the rest of the casters
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They should fix the battlemaster altet time shit
Rip affliction next patch, see you in the trash tier
arms is the most broken class EVER
Glad to see BM actually good. Been trash tier for like 3 xpacs
Was expecting a shoutcaster tier list. Greatly disappointed but still a good vid
Mage is a Caster???LUL let Me laught
Condemn warriors with holy paladins are really horrible to fight against – stuff of nightmares, add a BM hunter to that and I think i'll stick to single player WoW… LOL
LOL….. someone is butthurt about BM Hunters
Best WoW PvP Casters:
1. Venruki
2. Supatease
3. Ziqo
This is nonsense in regards BM Hunters. Roughly 2.5 kill shot procs per 30 seconds which average somewhere between 3-6k with the odd 10-12k crit on cloth – you'll be lucky to see anything north of 6k on plate. It's not even comparable to condemn which on average makes 40% of a warrior's damage and usable on demand. In addition, playing hunter literally feels like you are wearing no armour whatsoever and you are easily killable if you get caught up with by the enemy….god help you if you are in a stun without trinket.
aff…A class?
Hunter has always been hard to balance imo, being a ranged non caster.
– Spammable instant damage
– no casted spells but the pet rez
– a build in active cooldown reduction on their strongest damage cooldown, where other classes have to sacrifice a talent for
– pets are literal ferrari's in arena
– immune to fear, if the hunter doesnt forget to check his talents
It is safe 2 say that BM hunters are way to overpowered. Please nerf Rogues.
PvP is very generic,
PvP means Player versus Player, some classes perform top tier in 3v3, while performing very bad in rated battleground, also this is def not a good way to pick up a class if you are just starting, since when 9.1 comes outs, everything might change.
if you like 3v3 than those guides are spot on for the current patch, if you are into duels wpvp and bg, they might not be, but then again, nobody rly does guide for those nowdays
personally im a rated bg player and while mage is performing very well in arena, thats a content i don't enjoy and don't play, and in rated bg mage doesn't rly bring anything to the table, unless it roams with a good rogue, and thats never gonna happen in pugs, most of the times as a mage you will be skipped for warlocks and boomie, but apparently in 0.1 things are gonna chance, since the affly meta might be nerfed, and mage utiilityu is gonna spike in rated bg due to thieire versatility in all 3 specializzation in terms of objective control
Ring of Fire
ArcanorSphere
Ice Wall
are potentially some of the strongest spells concept we have ever seen to play rated bg.
we are talking, aoe sustained pressure based on enemies hp around objectives
aoe burst plus aoe knock for different combos specially for dominating Eots mid map
and for icewall, not being able to actually test it thoughtfully still unsure how broken or useless this spell might turn to be, it depends on some variations such as protection paladin casting his bubble on the wall, or smokebomb to negate incoming damage on it making it efficently an indistructible wall, needs testing.
hopefully blizzard keeps up these changes, and instead of nerfing firemage dmg numbers, nerfs triune, or the synergy with night fae cooldown reduction and pyrokinesis, because frankly speaking kindling nerf is uncalled, its already a 50/50 with meteor with the occasional pyroclasm pick, and thats not a talent id nerf, id nerf night fae cdr, or pyrokinesis, actually MY IDEA (its mine, you can call it bad idc) is to remove pyrkinesis and buff mage spells such as living bomb, conflagration, flame patch, fireball, meteor (no splash damage) etc, mage is supposed to be a glass cannon spec, but nowdays its just treated as a cooldown swap with enemies, and i know im not the only one frustrated about this ideology where you just press combustion, force defensive, farm combustion with fireball, and repeat while letting your warrior/ww monk put up pressure into the arena until dampening kicks in, enemies goes oom, or someone does a mistake, mage is suppose to be a threath, and is supposed to be easily killed, or kill easily, having this tanky mage just farming combustions to trade them around with cds is just lazy and boring and most mages don't even enjoy the arena they are winning anymore
when winning is boring nothing else can matter.
p.s. im not denying fire is viable, strong op, or w/e, im just saying this is as lazy as GP concept, and that 9.1 so far looks like it might bring something new to the table, but if we keep piling nerfs on Fire Mage numbers, we are just gonna get rerolls, fotm, respects, nothing rly changes, mage is supposed to do dmg, if triune is broken its unfair that infernal cascade gets nerfed because the overall capacity of the class is high
make changes, nerfs, reworks, buffs, but please use your brain, its hard to enjoy your class when you have 60 binds and you are pressing only 4, anyone can agree on that.
also i know mage is not the only class in this situation, im not denying your existance, i know you are there.
RBG TIER LIST ?
Still waiting on healing like a pro for shamans…
Where are the ret paladins in this list? One shotting me from 100 yrds away?
wtf hunter is doing there? it’s not a caster
All those BM hunters on AWC facerolling trough every comp but ret warr and and spriest warr 😀 ohh come on…. n3rF 1t. BM ALMOST reached 3% in the top 5000 both in 2s and 3s. Only 7% left to reach warrior and fmage level.
Congrats to BM finally getting some limelight but Rip locks. Afflic will join Demo in the trash bracket. I can name hundreds of things they can do to make Demo viable and can play with the big boys. Letting Felguard 3 stack the MS, give them an executed function, more insta cast (FYI, All Demo spells are LONG cast unless talented or protted), give back spells they STOLE away from Demos, etc… but one season and a half of B class borderline A spec (BFA with bursty metamorphosis, tankiness, and utility) is enough for Bliz to nerf their balls off and keep them down for almost a DECADE. I understand Demo is a ramp up type of spec, so at least make it worth it unlike other classes (fire, ret, boomies, etc) with no ramp up and one or two global you with 0 setup. With that much ramp up, it should be insta kill because you literally can see it coming from a mile away (2,3,wet noodle attacking pets, 4, it’s at 5 now, oh no, what to do… Just LOS and pets all decelerate in thin air and… lock’s is dead too). How long are they going to hate on Demo and why? And oh yea, Destro will stay B class… big whoopty! (Sarcasm)
BM doesn’t deserve being viable in pvp as the easiest two button spec in the game. Even in pve content it has always been considered newbie friendly.
whats the website used for ladder stats?