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Shadowlands Patch 9.1.5 is about to be rolled out in these next few hours but Blizzard is coming out with another interesting announcement:
The revival of the reworked “special forum” for Feedback from Players.
This time though, it won’t be for top end, high tier PvE/PvP players and theorycrafters like it had been 8 years ago, but rather a more open Forum and all kinds of Players with all kinds of interests will be accepted in….or so they say…
00:00 WoW Community Council: How it Works
03:13 “oh I bet I KNOW who’s gonna get in”….
05:23 This was TRIED once before…years ago…
07:50 Pessimistic about this? You have Reason to
10:51 PASS ME THE COPIUM
12:33 That’s my take. What’s yours?
WoW Community Council Signup: https://forms.office.com/r/2BfVmv2d44
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The issue was never, that the community wasn't able to give clear feedback during alpha/beta stages but that Blizzard constantly decided to ignore it. HAVING ANOTHER VENUE WILL DO NOTHING IF THEY CONTINUE TO IGNORE THE FEEDBACK GIVEN!
So they can now safely ignore any feedback outside of Community Council? Is there a monthly sub to join this Community Council?
kinda bored of blizzard agressive monetization and on top of that creating channels for feedback that already exist, there is no use of blizzard forums or reddit, totally ignore beta feedback, and pretty sure they didn't read my complains when i cancelled my sub… it's blizzard they are just milking the cow until is too late
I thought the same thing that it’s going to be all streamers. In addition, its likely a ploy to bring back many of the content creators that left. They’ve been given too many chances to be trusted.
if they want to listen just listen at this point action speaks louder than words
It seems like a good idea but when most of the player base that is unheard from doesnt make videos or spreadsheets they wont be able to apply. The other group they want to hear from probably doesnt even know the community forum exists. What we will end up with is more creators saying the same thing on youtube, twitch and now the forum. Unfortunately this means nothing will change.
Let’s be honest, the forum is going to be 90% “woke” players RPing more than they are discussing actual issues, isn’t it?
Eve has had a community council for a while now…hasn’t worked out that great over there. As bad as the game is right now, it’ll only get exponentially worse when you let General Discussion in on the design.
This reeks of desperation
feel like blizzard is the equivalent of a cheating spouse, who comes back telling you they've changed, beg for forgiveness and one more chance (and then end up fucking someone else again anyways lel)
Copium trend is getting pretty old…
Maybe it's a little late for that, since those who talked a lot may already be in other games and won't wait for Blizzard to consider what has been said over the last 5 years and promptly ignored by Blizzard in its forums by players. We ask for new classes, new races and story that value the 2 factions and we are never heard. And we see this in other games. What a surprise to see the audience leave and not return. Can the public come back? Yes but not for what they are trying to offer and yes for that I have been suggested many times and snubbed by them and their "too big to fail" philosophy.
did you see Blizzard's new earning report….??? Oh boy….
Has the Blizz leadership changed? Why would things change?
Somehow I think my 18 years of shit posting on the wow forums may work against me in getting into this council.
i left the game and i have to say never feelt better 😀 trying out and haveing a blast whit other games instead 😛
You should be on the council 100%.
Special forums. Glamorous G File.
Watch the council be filled with simps, women and lgbtq representation to both show a change of direction since the lawsuit and also have an excuse to ignore feedback from everyone else. I'm sure the deer from Twitch is available
Hopium
Typical, cynical haters who only wants despair, rants and death. You guys lost all sense of hope
Hopium will be the new batch from now on
Influencers, youtubers, streamers, elitists, top end raiders……in other words people who will agree with them. Catering to the hard core..who are actually part of the fucking problem.
Honestly? Blizz can go fuck themselves. If you need a lawsuit to make you listen to your community then sorry just as i did 10 years ago i will completely stop playing, oh and i did 1 month into SL because SL is another complete failure. Left before MOP, came back to BFA and it was extreme trash left 2 months in, came back 3 patches later still trash, corruption trash. SL beta and previews looked good and then they decided to fuck us over and ignore everything and on release a totally different game than what was presented and promised. So fuck blizz never gona buy anything from them ever again. If you are naive enough to keep supporting them and believe in their bullshit good on you.
When the Council was strong before, we had the class design and systems of MoP. When it weakened, we got WoD and then Legion (overrated expansion made to look good in comparison with WoD). Give the Council a chance, if run well it can bring back the glory days!
Sometimes the contents ok. But I feel a little shilly this time. It is November I suppose
I can just imagine representation and diversity will be the main focus of this 'council'.
No, it won't.
They chased themselves into a corner trying to "streamline" every thing. They made the base game experience for 95% of players a mind numbingly easy grind.
They would have to extend leveling times by 3 at least. Remove boosts and refund the boosties. Also remove their levels. And increase dificulty of leveling and non max level dungeons and raids.
These councils are always bad.
8years ago blizzard stared listening to dipshits from youtube and 8years ago the game started getting much worse fast.
Playerbase demanded the constant degeneration of the gameplay and top heavy design and now the rpg foundation gave out and the game is dead.
You wanted fast leveling so you can skip most people of it's content and now you complain about nothing much to do.
You asked to make 7 expansions of content irrelevant so now you have it.
You destroyed the game and now you reap what you sow.
You lazy evil little shits.
I'll find my way into this council and make sure Enhs and Rets remain grounded to the ground just to enjoy their tears. 👌🏽
This is microminded, everyone with a subscription can post within the existing forum, why build another system with fancy nameplates? Blizzard should just start use their own forum and listen to their playerbase collect information what players would like to have 🙂 Why Me/and 10000other submit potenial problems/bugs on beta/ptr if Blizzard is not listen?
The problem lies with in blizzards outlook on its players. They think we’re still pre teen/ young adults mind you some ppl are. But they think we can’t see through their PR shawl. It’s just enough for them to bring back a system that ghostcrawler made to try to appease the masses and say.. ok ok here tell me your problem here and I’ll see it. That’s the reason for forums and the PTR. They will never listen history shows. They have a terrible track record of listening to the community. All it takes is a bit of empathy
What worries me more than them ignoring feedback is that they don't seem to know the difference between a system that people will find fun and one which the community will hate, or worse they know the community will hate it and put it in anyways. It doesn't really take any feedback to know that covenants would make people mad. A system like that just has so many potential problems and the only real upside is having players identify with the covenant. They could have easily just not tied player power to the covenants and people would have been happy with it. I actually think the way they changed it in 9.1.5 is not that great a solution because it's still annoying to play with any of the other abilities, it should really be as easy as a talent row.
As much as Blizzard should be listening to their customers… this type of thing never works out.
I mean, there is tons and tons of feedback on the internet anyways, I don't know why a council would be needed. I guess it's easier for them because they don't have to read as much as they would otherwise? I don't know. I'll give them a fair chance, but I don't have any hopes that they'll really listen an act on it this time around. The feedback in Shadowlands beta was also ignored. Why should it be different this time around?
So basically the CSM = Eve Online. They've had it for years. Has had its high points and low points. Has been manipulated, has had some really good things come out of it. Either way – you get out what you put in (on both sides). Its worth a try honestly. Though with WoW being as old as it is – your always going to fight the uphill battle against the jaded. Even more so, online in the streaming and youtube like meta. Best of luck Blizz. All those percieved empty promised are always going to come back to you – no matter what. The numbers stack against you – always.
As a player and a dev, i know this game:
– will never be "fixed"
– will never have even close to 50% correct design decisions
– will never have correct explanations for 50% of design choices
– will never please 100% of the concerns across all the player demographics
– will never ship bug free
– will alway lose its luster over time. (players of every game in every genre lose faith and find fault – this is human nature in action)
– I will only free myself of caring about all this when i unsub (which i've done many times)
Though being a developer for 20+ years (never online content) I know there is still love for the product in that studio and i'll always be on the side of the Dev V Publisher. There's also the balance of old V new ideas and beliefs within the team. Hope the team can pick its way through the mire. There's something prescious about WoW – not all its inherent flawed systems, but the world building. I guess i've always been a fan of living history in content. Maybe its time to embrace that again. Go back to Azeroth and build a new path Horde and Alliance. Sometimes ideas built 20 years ago might not stand the test of time? Especially when they arent impirical.