27 thoughts on “Delves Are Currently In A Strange Place In World of Warcraft…”
'Noones happy with them' is a bit strong. I'd take delves as my weekly 'chore' over mindless worldquest grinding every time. Great for solo or casual players, and T8 are enough of a challenge for more serious players and raiders. Having a bit of incentive via vault rewards for the brand new system is also completely fine. I think some of the sentiment around this channel dooming is a bit overblown, but I don't agree with the take here at all.
Delves are a very pleasant addition. Sofar im Playing Twinks again due the non myth + shennanigans. Delves also have a very interesting side effect of Dropping Tier gear for Classes. My Hunter was able to get Shoulders from the vault. Twinks go Delves and lfr and the Main Goes full mode until he doesnt have to anymore.^^
Delves are awesome but i would love to see more reason other than "theyre a bit harder" to run T9-11. I almost think that GV T8 rewards are too much for what they are, especially given the rewards (or lack thereof) for T1-T7.
Delves need a lot more telegraphing on avoidable, uninterruptable abilities, positional requirements and in general mechanic focused design (tankbusters/defensives/interrupts/cc)
I totally understand this. I've played since the tail end of vanilla and went hard through Lich much to the detriment of my married life and ended up going full casual to save said married life and now play often but little and I'm having an ok time with delves with my gear at 593 and able to clear 8's somewhat comfortably but can't beat Zekver and I know it's down to my personal skill not just gear. I'll get him eventually but I've learned over the years I'm no top tier player and I play just for fun now. PVP I've dabbling in over the years but I know 100% my PVP skills are dogshit and don't feel the need to put the time into bettering them as it's not content I really enjoy. For the same reasons I don't do mythics either. So it's nice to have something like delves to get a bit of nice gear to make everything else a little easier. Skills can be learned but also lost if you're not using regular. Raiding is the same. Hit that hard back in Lich but now I dabble here and there and it's not the same.
I do Delves solo or with 1 other person, first couple of weeks were fun, a challenge, but at my current ilvl 608 im not worried about dying anymore. Reward wise they have now turned into a chore I need to do for the vault reward. Great for gearing alts tho;P Im guessing I was never the target audience for Delves.
Delve gearing is great. It's right over LFR and on par with normal almost. Perfect way to get into a patch without over fucking everything. Plus it also permits players to get a high piece of gear once a week if you grinded it out, more options isn't a bad thing. The delves definitely need way more cosmetic options.
I think delves should be limited to 3 players max + brann. When you go in with a whole dungeon group tank/healer and all, it kinda takes away from the more intimate delve experience.
I like delves but them being advertised as solo content isn't really accurate for high tiers. Anything 9+ is pretty difficult on a lot of DPS specs, although as Ret or Warlock I have found them manageable, but either way doing them in a group is way faster and I'm always just trying to do whatever is fastest any way lol.
who cares if someone that doesn’t raid get good gear through delves? also the dunning kruger discussing was kinda cringe. I can’t tell if you guys see the irony.
I love Delves they are the only reason why I came back to WoW. I have no desire to return to Mythic+ or raiding. I’ve been clearing 8s on my Outlaw rogue, and it’s been a blast. My focus endgame is Delves and Professions.
The way I look at it is like this (new player here btw): As it stands a week you can expect to get 4 pieces of champion gear maybe 5 depending on key shards and world souls and then 1 piece of vault heroic & maybe 2/3 if you’re lucky with a delvers bounty. On the other hand if you’re running Heroic raids and you minimum 10-15 man that you can expect maybe 1-2 pieces of gear w/ non roll champion drops on each boss. Assuming you’re running with a guild or a regular group of buddies through that raid you’re gonna get hero geared up fairly quickly compared to the one man running delves and having to wait for vault every week. So I don’t see the issue with delves being easier because in reality those people running delves and getting that vault hero gear is getting crumbs compared to regular raiders. Especially after week 2,3,4 as your group gets more geared and more loot gets passed on
So while I love you guys and the crew here on the channel I have to say that when you speak of Raiding, Mythic and specifically Delves…the casual crowed etc, you come across as quite elitist. I've been playing this since alpha. While I have raided and main tanked back in the day there was one thing that never eluded me. The fact that far more people are casual players than any raiding or mythic group. The vast majority of the funding for this game came from casuals. I mean most of the twenty years. Best thing that Blizzard could do is give you all your very own Servers. Similar to PvP with the option to set mobs and raid difficulty as you wish. I am sure I will get no end of shade on this but I don't mind nor do I care. Keep on with the stuff. You are appreciated. Cheers.
There are people that know "how" to use the top tier gear, but that is dependent on the group composition too. The gear offers the chance to get into that group as opposed to that group saying you don't know how to play because your gear is bad.
it seems really silly to deny being good at the game if you regularly get aotc. that puts you probably in the top 25% of players, definitely 'good' by any standard. No one judges how good you are at something by comparing to the literal best in the world. Just because you are self-aware and self-critical, doesn't mean you are not good
Eh. Social media drama. I love delves. Content that is fun and a touch challenging I can do myself? Yes. I will take it. Don’t have the same time I used to, delves fill a niche for me.
I feel like for people like myself who don't want to do m+ for gearing and only raid up to heroic it is a great alternative to get some fairly decent gear. At ilvl 626 it can even be used as an entry point into mythic raiding for clearing at least those first bosses for vault slot, especially now that mythic is on group finder from the get go. That said, trinkets from it could be a bit more competitive at least i feel like, there is only one or two that are somewhat decent while the rest are trash compared to pretty much anything you would get from a raid. Still its is a great gearing alternative, and fairly easy to do solo or in a group if you want while comparatively getting the gear of same ilvl from m+ or raids is much harder. I personally hate m+ because of all of its innate toxicity and sweaty mentality that comes with it so delves are a great alternative for me. And looking at sims, at least for my class, some delve pieces are actually better than what you would get from a raid or m+ at on hero 6/6 track so that's pretty good
brann keeps pissing me off, fucker throws the healing pots into will kill me locations, got to level 7 delves in all greens tried an 8 and everything instant killed me, big unavoidable room wide aoe, mobs not pulling by themselves, random rare getting pulled from the ether in a different zipcode unrelated to what im doing, i think delves arent bad they just really punish certain class choices a bit too much, similar to how hero talents force weird spell choices that you generally wouldnt pick
'Noones happy with them' is a bit strong. I'd take delves as my weekly 'chore' over mindless worldquest grinding every time. Great for solo or casual players, and T8 are enough of a challenge for more serious players and raiders. Having a bit of incentive via vault rewards for the brand new system is also completely fine. I think some of the sentiment around this channel dooming is a bit overblown, but I don't agree with the take here at all.
Delves are a very pleasant addition. Sofar im Playing Twinks again due the non myth + shennanigans. Delves also have a very interesting side effect of Dropping Tier gear for Classes. My Hunter was able to get Shoulders from the vault. Twinks go Delves and lfr and the Main Goes full mode until he doesnt have to anymore.^^
Delves are awesome but i would love to see more reason other than "theyre a bit harder" to run T9-11. I almost think that GV T8 rewards are too much for what they are, especially given the rewards (or lack thereof) for T1-T7.
Delves need a lot more telegraphing on avoidable, uninterruptable abilities, positional requirements and in general mechanic focused design (tankbusters/defensives/interrupts/cc)
I totally understand this. I've played since the tail end of vanilla and went hard through Lich much to the detriment of my married life and ended up going full casual to save said married life and now play often but little and I'm having an ok time with delves with my gear at 593 and able to clear 8's somewhat comfortably but can't beat Zekver and I know it's down to my personal skill not just gear. I'll get him eventually but I've learned over the years I'm no top tier player and I play just for fun now.
PVP I've dabbling in over the years but I know 100% my PVP skills are dogshit and don't feel the need to put the time into bettering them as it's not content I really enjoy.
For the same reasons I don't do mythics either. So it's nice to have something like delves to get a bit of nice gear to make everything else a little easier.
Skills can be learned but also lost if you're not using regular.
Raiding is the same. Hit that hard back in Lich but now I dabble here and there and it's not the same.
Delves can be very enjoyable on some classes but awful on others, blizzard needs to stop being lazy and balance each one per class when solo
I do Delves solo or with 1 other person, first couple of weeks were fun, a challenge, but at my current ilvl 608 im not worried about dying anymore. Reward wise they have now turned into a chore I need to do for the vault reward. Great for gearing alts tho;P Im guessing I was never the target audience for Delves.
I'm really enjoying delves at the moment
Delve gearing is great. It's right over LFR and on par with normal almost. Perfect way to get into a patch without over fucking everything. Plus it also permits players to get a high piece of gear once a week if you grinded it out, more options isn't a bad thing. The delves definitely need way more cosmetic options.
They are for people who solid WoW gameplay that is not dungeons or raids. More things like delves please.
I think delves should be limited to 3 players max + brann. When you go in with a whole dungeon group tank/healer and all, it kinda takes away from the more intimate delve experience.
Bellular fan here but this shows his lack of connection to the average player.
delve good zug zug
I like delves but them being advertised as solo content isn't really accurate for high tiers. Anything 9+ is pretty difficult on a lot of DPS specs, although as Ret or Warlock I have found them manageable, but either way doing them in a group is way faster and I'm always just trying to do whatever is fastest any way lol.
Me and my buddies love them
who cares if someone that doesn’t raid get good gear through delves? also the dunning kruger discussing was kinda cringe. I can’t tell if you guys see the irony.
As a hunter bran has just been pissing me off, I have lost count already of the times he has broken my frost traps
I love Delves they are the only reason why I came back to WoW. I have no desire to return to Mythic+ or raiding. I’ve been clearing 8s on my Outlaw rogue, and it’s been a blast. My focus endgame is Delves and Professions.
Honestly as someone raiding and spamming m+, i love delves specially cause it enables gearing for casuals and new players.
They're for me. I don't raid or do dungeons. These are quicker and I can finally not depend on other people.
The way I look at it is like this (new player here btw): As it stands a week you can expect to get 4 pieces of champion gear maybe 5 depending on key shards and world souls and then 1 piece of vault heroic & maybe 2/3 if you’re lucky with a delvers bounty. On the other hand if you’re running Heroic raids and you minimum 10-15 man that you can expect maybe 1-2 pieces of gear w/ non roll champion drops on each boss. Assuming you’re running with a guild or a regular group of buddies through that raid you’re gonna get hero geared up fairly quickly compared to the one man running delves and having to wait for vault every week. So I don’t see the issue with delves being easier because in reality those people running delves and getting that vault hero gear is getting crumbs compared to regular raiders. Especially after week 2,3,4 as your group gets more geared and more loot gets passed on
So while I love you guys and the crew here on the channel I have to say that when you speak of Raiding, Mythic and specifically Delves…the casual crowed etc, you come across as quite elitist. I've been playing this since alpha. While I have raided and main tanked back in the day there was one thing that never eluded me. The fact that far more people are casual players than any raiding or mythic group. The vast majority of the funding for this game came from casuals. I mean most of the twenty years. Best thing that Blizzard could do is give you all your very own Servers. Similar to PvP with the option to set mobs and raid difficulty as you wish. I am sure I will get no end of shade on this but I don't mind nor do I care. Keep on with the stuff. You are appreciated. Cheers.
There are people that know "how" to use the top tier gear, but that is dependent on the group composition too. The gear offers the chance to get into that group as opposed to that group saying you don't know how to play because your gear is bad.
it seems really silly to deny being good at the game if you regularly get aotc. that puts you probably in the top 25% of players, definitely 'good' by any standard. No one judges how good you are at something by comparing to the literal best in the world. Just because you are self-aware and self-critical, doesn't mean you are not good
Eh. Social media drama. I love delves. Content that is fun and a touch challenging I can do myself? Yes. I will take it. Don’t have the same time I used to, delves fill a niche for me.
I feel like for people like myself who don't want to do m+ for gearing and only raid up to heroic it is a great alternative to get some fairly decent gear. At ilvl 626 it can even be used as an entry point into mythic raiding for clearing at least those first bosses for vault slot, especially now that mythic is on group finder from the get go. That said, trinkets from it could be a bit more competitive at least i feel like, there is only one or two that are somewhat decent while the rest are trash compared to pretty much anything you would get from a raid. Still its is a great gearing alternative, and fairly easy to do solo or in a group if you want while comparatively getting the gear of same ilvl from m+ or raids is much harder. I personally hate m+ because of all of its innate toxicity and sweaty mentality that comes with it so delves are a great alternative for me. And looking at sims, at least for my class, some delve pieces are actually better than what you would get from a raid or m+ at on hero 6/6 track so that's pretty good
brann keeps pissing me off, fucker throws the healing pots into will kill me locations, got to level 7 delves in all greens tried an 8 and everything instant killed me, big unavoidable room wide aoe, mobs not pulling by themselves, random rare getting pulled from the ether in a different zipcode unrelated to what im doing, i think delves arent bad they just really punish certain class choices a bit too much, similar to how hero talents force weird spell choices that you generally wouldnt pick