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You sure like to use the word “ different”
FINALY the UTILITY for RAID is here!!! harrrayy now DK could not do any damage, raid is protected.
For me it looks like if Blizz again give that powerful skills mean there will be a huuge problems in other aspects
I’m guessing dual wield frost will be for a breath build with generating more runic power, whereas 2h will be more steady dps with big obliterate crits
UH DK was so watered down and clunky with its rotation. I like the new changes and DK will prob be my main in Shadowlands. Adding the 2 hander with Frost is just a bonus.
I think anti magic zone is gonna get nerfed somehow. 60% reduction for 10 seconds seems ridiculously strong for a coordinated raid environment.
Can we please have a competitive alternative to BoS? I despise the play style and truly miss massive oblit crits and rune management of the WotLK frost.
over tuned dungeons? As in they're actually difficult? Yay! I'm excited.
Without might of the frozen wastes 2H is useless.
I've just been wanting DW Unholy..
Pets have rights too. also UH is clunky let it shine in SL- not sure il get to play it // I suck.
For you anything that isnt a rogue is overpowered. Rogues are fkin overpowered. xD
want back my fucking WOD frost DK, as since BFA frost did get so weak for some reason ( my guess is the retards that did cry in the forums all the time cuz they suck, as these idiots dotn cry as much about WYA more broken GAYladins or the redtaded brain dead DH….) , and feels likie shit, the slowest class in game, and to have weak dmg that just sucks ass, DKs are meant to be powerful as fuck, they sophuld not be weaker the other shitty classes that have utility kits cc, healing and deff in order to win vs a DK…. #makeFROSTgreatagain fuck UH i dont want to be plate warlock or hunter fuck pets, and all i want to say to these plebs that like UH well that was never the real DK spec, even in Wrath as it feels liek fucking hunter/ lock not like a DK RIP……..
UNHOLY DK HAS WAYYYYY TOO MANY CDs. Consider an opener. Army, Outbreak, Dark Trans, Unholy Frenzy, FS, Apocalypse, Summon Garg, Venthyr cov ability, AND THATS ALL BEFORE YOU START DOING DAMAGE! 8 BUTTONS BEFORE YOU DO DAMAGE IS INSANE
While I am happy for these changes, the reason I stopped playing my DK in Legion is that they have almost no mobility. I've taken to describing my Blood DK as a howitzer tank that's stuck in first gear. While tanking, I was always lagging behind the rest of my group and this is the biggest problem the DK has. Only the Pally has the same problem as far as I am aware.
So, until Blizz addresses this class-breaking issue (at least as far as groups go) then i'll be sticking to my Demon Hunter.
I liked when Frost 2h was burst dmg and dual was sustain. Worked good back then.
I don't get the appeal of 2h frost dk but, as long as its not better than dual wield I don't care. I much prefer dual wielding as frost.
I'm confused is anti magic zone a pvp talent only?
I think asking for 2H viability for Frost is a mistake. Why? Because we are talking about BLIZZARD. They cannot "fix" one thing without breaking another. They are incapable. If they make 2H good again, you can bet Dual wielding will be unusable and left to rot.
6 minutes before you get to the point. Bro………..
If she breaks the lich kings helm how does that effect the death knights?
so basically people want arms and fury for frost Dk? haha you are crazy guys just let it be an animation and look thing
From DK Discord:
In current simulations, an RPPM system is used for KM proc rate. This models a system where the probability of a KM proc increases both with time since last proc attempt as well as time since last proc. The contribution from proc attempt caps out at 3.5 seconds whereas the contribution from last proc eventually makes the proc rate reach 100%.
The RPPM value was set to 4.5 x crit x haste. In reality, this number of procs per minute would never be reached. Especially at low crit levels, the proc rate was very much lower.
We now think they changed the proc behaviour in 8.2 to something else. I gathered data from 6k logs and am very certain that the proc actually works in the following way: After a KM proc, the first crit auto has a 30% chance of proccing KM. If it's unsuccessful, the next crit auto has a 60% chance of proccing KM. This then goes to 90% and finally 100%. This means that you cannot get more than 4 crits in a row without a KM proc.
How does this affect the number of procs we get per minute? This new system translates into 50% (50.2) average proc chance of KM for each auto. This translates into the following procs per minute: (1+haste) x crit x 23. To visually this, I've plotted the values on a graph:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/465245068895453194/710921792138641597/unknown.png
What you can take away from this is the following: In an RPPM system, you never quite reach the proc rate from the formula. In the new system, you stay on course at all times. Furthermore, sims are underestimating the proc rate for crit values above 15%.
What's the implications for 2H frost on Alpha? DW will always (regardless of crit and haste) get 2.7 times as many KM procs as 2H
KM = Killing Machine
I want chill steak baseline Maaan!!!
No, no fuck this shit not 1 single change to make frost dk actually be a good class again. this is disgusting… howling blast initial damage still shit, shitty breath that no1 wants to play is still there and that shit is no good for 2H, 2h play style with dual wield setup -> sluggish af, terrible dps upkeep, disgusting kit with 0 mobility and shitty survivability. This is such bs, keep bad bfa setup and put dual wield for eye candy. I want my fkin 2h wotlk pvp setup back and 1h setup that does not fkin rely on me waiting 1 thousand years on breath and fuck your frostscythe ruining howling blast just so people are forced to use scythe.
Heyy, just a random question; 4:42 did you take the quest item on the wall? 😂
Wb blood my guy
So Frost can have 5 bursts? Jeez
Can you summon zombies in shadowlands?
There isn't a point to bringing back 2h Frost if abilities don't get re balanced for 2h as well
If they’re bringing back two handed frost DK they should bring back dual wield hunters, they should give survival hunters that option
It would be way to hard to tune both 2h and dw for DK's differently…im fine with cosmetic!
so frost dk has a 1hander with a 2hander skin. makes no sense for me tbh, they should change the playstyle
I'd like to dual wield unholy, mainly for the extra runeforged weapon… but also I really want Corpse Explosion back. No no that piss pot critter killer I mean the ORIGINAL corpse explosion!
Nice to hear, I just started this week and reached 120 in a few days on my dk. It's my first char and I'm looking forward to the new addon!
Frost needs to stay 2 1h or atleast allow for tmogging into artifact weapon
what would also be cool is a dw playstyle for unholy, imagine using fallen crusader and apocolapse with mroe dc procs, feeding into army of the damned
Basically showed us fuck all about unholy….
long story short it feels the same?
Wait, in Shadowloads players wont have 100k+ health? Because I hate when I see that… They should put 30k or 35k hp max.
2h frost should be burst damage dual wield should be sustain
Closed the video "Imagine if DK's didn't do any damage, they would still be invited into raids.". Bullshit.
They could basicly add rune kinda things for paladin 2 i mean weapon blessing
I was under the impression weapon damage didn't really matter much anymore. Seems like most weapon based skills just have a static amount of damage that pulls from strength and secondary stats.
If anything, the only hurdle they may need to overcome for 2 handed weapons is the runeforging. They might need to provide a 2 handed rune to make up for losing one of your runes.
I would not mind dual wield as much if we could choose to shield weapons on the back like monks do
It looks like a jrpg. More classic please.
stop talking about how strong something is or theyll just nerf it to the ground again….you alpha/beta testers never learn…
Another cloak clipping problem for human male, it was been only for human female's problem, so now we have both cloak clipping problems!!! good job blizzard
I think dw unholy or blood would be interesting