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Damage wasn't what Paladin needed.
They needed
Magic defense
Something that's not so telling as horse cd
Speed increase through judgements
Lower cd on judgement.
Blizz just put a bandaid on paladin like they did at the beginning of BFA which they later removed because shit players in lower brackets were getting 1 shot.
Do better blizzard. Just do better
Awesome ret changes? Where? We are still weelchaired punching bags with an awful burst window. Cool, we have even more burst now and more GCDs to spend before doing ANY damage. Fuck this. The only reason ret functions "well" in 8.3 is because of mastery stacking and Vision of Perfection (shortens the main cooldown, more frequent burst windows and occasionally free wings)
Blizzard please Long arm of the Law is what rets want…
Have reckoning available and pop buffs as you get the proc on your target, rotation as normal taking advantage of as many reckoning procs as you can then end with the reckoning hammer (and finish with a wake of ashes and justicar's vengence combo for bonus points)
For someone that doesn't play tet you shure say a lot of good stuff about this shit wheelchair, maby ask some ppl that zctually play it like savix snd dont give credit to blizz for nothing
Just give us Long Arm of the Law back, and trade some burst damage for sustained damage. Actually just give us WotLK pally back.
🙂 it will be nerfed in like 2 months later… mark my words
This is just the same problem as we have now, but with extra steps.
STOP IT.
This happens ALL THE TIME. They buff our damage instead of fix the class. EVERYONE CRIES because they're too scrubby to realize how this doesn't do jack shit.
Everyone else's sustain damage works up to equal or better than ours in PvE encounters, and in PvP, we get CC-ed and the big damage is negated.
But because these retards don't know jack shit and cry to Blizz, we get the damage nerf-ed and then we have neither utility nor damage despite how Blizzard keeps marketing the class and spec.
Fucking STUPID. STOP IT.
Yeah, Paladin doesnt have a good mobility but they are a powerhouse, a wheelchair truck.
I saw people saying their damage is bad and yadda yadda but… bros… the damage isnt bad. Its far from bad. The only problem is mobility. Pallies have a lot of defensives and heals, a nice burst (and depending the talents u pick, you can have a additional minor burst too).
I just see people whining about mobility… you want the class with Everything? Wanna one shot end game boss alone too?
But Blizz should rise the horse time to 5 secs and lower its CD to 25 or 30 secs.
Blizz just give back cleanse magic dispel for Ret / Prot!!!
new paladin here 🙂
Savix was on point about ret. This will not play well in arena or bgs. Trust me i play only pala and this is not good. Trying stuff on the dummy never works in pvp. Maybe in pve just maybe.. But in pvp…. I am disappointed. Where are my ret brothers?
Swifty already making a macro
Hm, I was all excited to level a ret paladin for shadowlands but now I'm thinking maybe I should just stick with my classic Rogue
rogues are better than us in every way, more utility, more mobility, more damage and guess what better defensive cause shroud and evasion = full immune on a 2 min CD while ours is on a 5 min CD oh and that 5 min CD of ours can be fucking dispelled aswell.
Theme wise it would have been cooler if your covenant changed your spell's color through a glyph or something like that.
That kyrian blue would have fit paladins really well.
Healing hands talent might be useful is dungeon and raiding, but in a long arena fight (around 10-15 mins) it will be utterly useless due to dampening with all the healing reduction in place, SoV is also effected by dampening. Ret pally barely has any defences against casters so according to Savix ret pally are pretty much punching bag to other caster classes in arena. Savix has a video showing his ret pally in arena facing a warlock featuring wing plus word of glory heal and the amount barely reach 2k which is really sad to see. I was pretty excited to main a ret pally in shadowlands, but now due to auras on gcd and lack of utilities,mobility, and defenceless against casters plus the unnecessary damage buffs that will be nerf later in the expansion which nobody asked for has made me reconsider my decision in going for this class spec.
From what I heard and I don’t know if it’s true, apparently if you have wing active while using retribution aura the wing you get when your allies die will replace the current wing you have on.
For example: if you have Crusade as your talent and use it during an encounter while having retribution aura on, when an ally dies your crusade will be replace with avenging wrath from the retribution aura and the duration becomes 12 seconds.
I am mostly likely wrong about this, if anyone have tried on beta it will be good for people to know whether it is true or not.
as blizzard always does with ret it will be nerfed and then nerfed after launch once again.,,,seen it to many times with ret and enhancement.
the same meta in bfa will be the same meta in sl.
oh man i hate the new combopoint system of paladin, can we please please get tbc paladin back?
Can you dispel or purge Execution sentence?:)
Used wake under ES when already HP capped 😭 .. sad for lost dmg. Tht 28k should have been 30 easy
Paladins animations are shit
Looks like I’ll only be playing holy pala again lmao these ain’t even buffs Rey is so fucked lol
Everyone cried about pally but the warrior cant even defeat you cause even your holy heal base spell are stronger than all the damage he can do whatever attack he do or have and warrior got even less mobility than you and even when you have no armor left you have bubble to save your ass and the fucking heal of 70% health so your healing cause its been 5 second out of combat so the proc of 5 sec spawn regive you another 20% health
same with dk
pally has always been broken its time to put it in the trashcan for 2 expac and increase i dont know maybe like monk whe dont see them nowhere or enhanced shaman increase arm warrior and return the hammer that destroy the pally protection or reduce the pally heal to 30% health like the bear of the druid cause even with every nerf pally got
they're still over everything else in the pvp meta its the only class in the game that can survive 5 or 6 people on 1 target and kill at least 3 of the ennemy before dying
yes rogue have more mobility but dude pally need to have a weakness somewhere and a common one.
rogue is one of the most popular class so the weakness is justified
its not normal for a class to destroy 3 entire class that arent even able to do 25% health to that class that they are already dead
Dk is able to beat pally in 1vs 1 but add 1 ally and he is screw anyway
Or reduce buble damage absorbtion and increase the cooldown to 5 minute or ban ley on hand from pvp maybe then you can cried out but look at brewmaster monk or windwalker, tank monk the class is in the trash since mist
Feral druids are worse than a hunter pet for damage
There's a lot of class with spec that aren't even playable in pvp and they need to increase those spec and reduce the other for the time to balance everything cause pally Ret & holy just destroy the pvp meta game since cataclysm
And just to make pally fair im sure that they would need to add a class that bypass all magic shield and buble effect making the attack that heal the pally will deal them damage instead or add pally smite that when use with a procs reduce their hp by 45 % but increase damage by 10% not an optional feature just changing the mechanic of spell so when they use some of their main abbility its kinda like the warlock to balance the ley on hand effect and mobility increase if they give it