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I’ve tested the 12600K with DDR4 and DDR5, XMP and fully tuned, the cpu at default and overclocked, here there’s basically all you need to know to plan your next build for WoW!
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0:00 Intro
0:38 CPUs @ XMP
0:53 CPUs @ Fully Tuned RAM
1:15 CPUs @ OC with XMP RAM
1:35 CPUs @ OC with Fully Tuned RAM
3:02 Thoughts and conclusion
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Gskill Trident Z 6400 DDR5
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EVGA RTX 3090 Kingpin (XOC Bios)
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Windows 11
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Great job! Looking forward to your next video!
Looking forward to your next video!!! As no one do their testing in Wow anymore (lol also om not playing) but the 5800x3d is amazing as i could see in the simracing games tested.
I opted to stick with my sets of B-die this time around and go with a D4 Strix and 12900k running at 5.1/5.5 AI Optimized. Price was a consideration as DDR5 was outlandish and I already had B-die sticks on hand. I run it at 4133 15-15-15 G1 (G.Skill 2x8GB) Glad to see it is still basically equal or greater in performance with 6400 sticks.
Definitely looking forward to 5800X3D comparison as in some games it is a monster and in others not so much. If it turns out to be a monster chip for WoW that would make for a great build out too.
As always, loving all the testing and data and definitely looking forward to Dragonflight!
Still on Ryzen platform waiting to see your review on the 5800x3d .
I mainly use mine for gaming and play world of warcraft in 1440p.
Nice, Dying to see the 5800X3D
Ddr4 still holds up. Only problem Asus rog strix b660-G only ddr5. Bclk oc works very well on locked cpus 12400/12600.
Thanks for this video!
hello my frend thank you for super test 🙂
As a hardware enthusiast even before launch I was most excited about the lower end parts of the 12th gen, I would be really curious to see how even the 12100 with some BCLK OC is doing in some WoW benchmarks at around 5GHz and that nice 4000C16 bdie kit. I think it has the potential to have better performance than my 5.2GHz 9900k 🙂
King is back !! Welcome bro, perfect video as always
Good to see you back dude. Hope you like the look of the next expansion.
Mate, if you get bored of benching WoW, I suggest trying GW2. It's a lot more CPU intensive than WoW these days.
Try the 5800x3d . : )
With the not so long ago price adjustments from AMD, you can quite well buy any CPU and lose nothing in terms of fps/dollar –
233 euros for KF-version 12600 and 204 euros for 5600X – 12600KF is 14% more expensive.
If you already have an AM4 motherboard, then that's where AMD gets a much better deal.
And comparable board on Z690 from e.g. MSI will cost you 68% more than a comparable board on B550 – 155 euros vs 92 euros.
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!
thx for the video! good to see u so active again 🙂
Fantastically video. May I ask which voltages are needed to raises the ring? I'm running 5.0 on P-Cores and Ring is at 4.6 by default on 12700k. I managed to get the ring to 4.7GHz by raising VCCSA from 1.2v to 1.28v. VCore is set at 1.35v with LLC4 on Asus Z690-A Strix D4, and I can pass OCCT/CPU AVX2 Large FFT Extreme preset. But I can't get 4.8GHz to ring to pass. How do people get 4.8GHz ring so easily? Do I need to raise VCCSA to 1.40v+ or something?
The RAM is tightly tuned at 3900C15 and passes OCCT/Memory. I can also pass 3900C14 but it requires 1.56v VDIMM and an active fan, so I prefer to run 3900C15 which needs less than 1.50v VDIMM. The IMC on this 12700k can't do 4000MHz though.
5800X3D? Hmmmm…
what about r5 5600x with tuned ram kits? is it gained more fps?
Thanks for the review. What's is your SA voltage for ddr4 4000@16 on 12600k ?
1080p tests are no longer all that valid. Please include 1440p tests.
This might sound as a weird request, but there is this unfortunate MMO called Star Wars the Old Republic which has a bizarre and probably the most broken engine of the bunch, namely it still uses dx9 and two cores in 2022! The oddest thing about it is that the higher frequency you have for one core, the better the MMO runs. I have yet to see anybody test these latest monsters on that MMO in demanding tasks like 16-man raids (Operations) or Warzones (pvp). Would love to see the performance on a cpu with 5.4ghz.
I just want a mini itx ddr4 motherboard that doesn’t cost 300-400 usd, is that too much to ask? 🙁
My problem with 12th gen is what it takes to get to the performance level it has. The 5600X isn't even pushing a 65W TDP during gaming. It runs all-core loads from 70 – 75W Max. Even a 12600K is sucking power when you push it. This is all about clock frequency, and what happens when you set frequency about the same is the 5600X is just as good at gaming. The 12600K is a 16t part, the 5600X is a 12t part. So benchmarks aren't in the favor of the 5600X, but it's still a great all-around CPU. Alder Lake cores are benefited by accelerators, so in some workloads they're better, but reviews skew the differences because most reviewers use workloads (stream processing such as video rendering, compression/decompression) where the accelerators are designed to improve those workloads. How much benefit YOU might get with this as a daily driver could be trivial.
Now, here is why I wouldn't buy EITHER for a gaming rig. The days of 4c/8t gaming is gone if you want to keep buying newer titles. UE5 is now showing what it can do with the Matrix Awaken demo. It's not pretty for 4c/8t CPUs. They will ABSOLUTELY bottleneck performance.
This test was run using a 5950X which is 32 threads:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V5TCZzzgOo&t=303s
This shows a modern game using UE5 pushing a 5950X to over 40% utilization. By simple math that pushes a 5800X to 80% utilization and it would push a 5600X to 100% and the CPU would be capped and bottlenecking the performance. The same would happen with the 12600K, because game threads are going to run on the p cores and the only load that would be thrown at e core is the OS or if you're stupid and having background tasks running, those could possibly be thrown at e cores depending on the task.
So, people who want to build a gaming rig to be able to buy NEW games have to understand that companies are improving their multi-threaded performance now, and at least for UE5, Epic Games has developed a game engine that can push an 8c/16t CPU. This question has been asked by viewers, that companies will push games to where they can use an 8c/16t CPU, since the PS5 and Xbox now have a good quality 8c/16t CPU running them and reviewers have wanted to trivialize this point, but multiple companies have SAID they're overhauling their game engines to use more cores (true multi-tasking in the game engines), so frankly I knew this was only a matter of time.
And the result of this is, budget gaming for the future means 16 thread CPU where EVERY thread can run game thread. And the future hits at the end of this year and the more titles that come out on UE5, the faster this future is here. In fact I forget what company and game it is, but one company said they were abandoning their own engine for a game they're working on and moving to UE5.
So, this moves you up to a 12700K or similar for Intel, and for AMD the best choice would be the 5800X3D part. But if you haven't already bought into a platform yet, the best choice is to wait for Zen 4 and then do a comparison between Alder Lake and Zen 4. Zen 4 is probably going to be a bit better at gaming than Alder Lake, and part of the improvements for Meteor Lake as stated by Intel is pushing clocks even higher. This would make a gaming rig running something like a 13700K too hot for my taste due to a jump in power consumption. And for those who might retort with "but gaming isn't an all-core load", you skipped over the whole discussion above about UE5, or you failed to understand the implications of it. Yes, running a UE5 title that pushes high quality graphics is going to be more like an all-core load for an 8c/16t CPU.
What is the latency penalty running ddr5? This will make it run in gear 2. I'm asking because I'm primarily a gamer.
I built a 12600K based system last Christmas. Very competitive pricing all parts included (the price difference between that and 5800X based system was around 10 EUR) and it has been an excellent performer since. The user of that system pretty often has the game running and on top of that browser on second screen, Discord and potentially streaming also. It is an excellent setup for that kind of use.
Thank you for the great video. And welcome back, you were missed.
hello, under € 350 what is the motherboard that barricades / limits less the (high) frequencies of DDR5 RAM? With the highest maximum frequency limit of the RAM, which supports the highest possible frequency in OC pushed DDR5 (with top-of-the-range CPU and RAM working at higher frequencies than those generally supported by the Z690 mobos, which therefore in this case could represent a limit and block / run RAM and CPU at a lower frequency than the max they could reach, unless we are talking about Asus Apex or very expensive mobos), then mobo that does not impose a frequency limit on CPU and RAM and letting them work at their high frequencies. I foresee in the future to probably put an i7-13900K (keeping the same mobo) so the only thing I need is that it is a model of mobo that lets CPU and RAM work at very high frequencies without barricading and not limiting CPU and RAM to the limit frequency of the mobo. With high max frequency limit (the one indicated by the manufacturers in the data sheets), but above all true in a real scenario, because I see that in the data sheets some models have indicated 5333MHz, others 6000MHz, but some say that all mobos with 4 DIMM / slot RAM barricade / limit all to 6400MHz (frequency of ddr5, even if these and the CPU could theoretically work in OC even at a little more than 6400MHz), hoping that this is not true, I am looking for a mobo suitable for OC pushed RAM, the goal is to try to bring even more mature ddr5 banks that I will buy in the future (with 13900k having better IMC and SA) at the highest achievable frequency, perhaps between 6500 and 7000MHz.
Thanks for benchmarking.
I have ryzen 2700 right now (not X) but also old AM4 mb. Have latest RAM and 2080Ti.
Do you recommend to get 12600k at current prices? Or go w 12700k? 5600x? Or 5900x? 5900 is now at $389.
Do you also do some tests in raids and dungeons? Wonder how much fps will be affected as WoW will be gpu bound. Also do you have other apps open as normal? Such as browser and discord and wow addons? Usually we do during game play so asking.
Thanks for all the work. It is so helpful!!
If you have to turn e cores off for more performance then you essentially just have a 12600. So essentially 12600 is better than 12600k for gaming.
Just because it's easier to not have to turn on and off cores all the time.
At which point I'd recommend the 12400 (f)since it's just a lower clocked 12600.
What about i5 12400f and 1440p? What differences can we expect?
Frequency on ddr5 its not playing any role and we can see from your benchmarks that 1% low (that is the most accurate frame rate to take an account)is almost identical with 6000mhz and 6600mhz.Latency play more basic role in ddr5 like in ddr4.The first timings also in ddr5 not have any serious impact in performance like CL..but second timmings like tRefi for example and others have a lot of impact.Im running full rock stable 5600 cl 26-30-30 with vddq and vdd 1,48v and SA voltage at 1,28v(and other of course modifications)and I'm faster than 6200 cl 34 (either with 6400)in every benchmark that I run.
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You didn't mention the power draw from overclocking the 12600K at 5.3 GHZ and total system cost 👌
Hey mate, thank you for your work. It is much appreciated ! Do you think the 12900k would also be "almost" as good with DDR4 rather than 5 ?
what would you say is the best cheap graphic card for 1440p gaming for only world of warcraft right now?
Great video. Thanks
World of warcraft at 1440p 5800x3D or 7600x/7700x ??
considering , GPU is not the limiting factor, which CPU is better for WOW ?
Hey man ! oh boy you got sweet PC case, ist this some custom made or i can order it somewhere ?:D
just built 2x 12600k with 2x msi edge ddr4 with 2x 3200 ddr4 corsair with Thermaltake 1700 aluminum socket bracket and assassin 120
But where is the x3D chips for comparison? Its been a year and I'm still curious for World of Warcraft (Favors strong single core) if the 3d vcache will help the 5800x3d punch above its weight class and where it stands in todays ecosystem. X3D or i5-12700K? (Waiting for the "KS" that was just discovered!)
12600k running on 6600ram?!
How does it run with a 12400f + 1660 super ? D: