Is The Primus the Real Jailer? Discussing the Wowhead Article



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Wowhead came out with a speculation article suggesting the Primus could be the real big bad of World of Warcraft Shadowlands and that he is the REAL jailer, using Zovaal as his pawn. It’s a long one with lots of talk about so allow Tali to guide you through!

What if Zovaal Isn’t the True Jailer? (Shadowlands Lore Speculation)
https://www.wowhead.com/news/what-if-zovaal-isnt-the-true-jailer-shadowlands-lore-speculation-326318

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41 thoughts on “Is The Primus the Real Jailer? Discussing the Wowhead Article”

  1. I think this could have been a great way to go about the expansion and maybe it was but i think shadowlands was a victim of Covid forcing the delays and it went into a totally different direction, If shadowlands went on another year or 2 major patches and this was the twist they went with it would have been amazing in my eyes, Zovaal is such a crappy villain and making him just a pawn makes way too much sense, I also like to think Denathrius didn't actually know that Zovaal was under the influence of domination or it would be too easy for him to tell us about the primus

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  2. I really like this theory and the article was one hell of a pleasure to read, BUT: didn't blizzard at the very beginning of SL (or rather when announcing it) say that they want a very clear baddie for the expac and for there to be no surprise in that regard? I think I recall them explicitly stating that the Jailer will be the big bad.

    But on the other hand maybe that was part of the narrative (jailer =/= zovaal?) or maybe they were only referring to the final BOSS of the expansion and the entire story about the primus might move over to 10.0.

    Regardless, very curious on how this turns out, DiscordianKitty really presents a few too many "coincidences" for this theory to be neglected

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  3. I actually think they tried to display this, but maybe it got cut.. and all they left us were a hell of a lot of speculation. I mean, being the arbiter and not a 50000iq master strategist and military dude, how could a beeing like zovaal be that brilliant? Yes, sure denathrius.. but still.. i believe there was something else, this theory made me go hmmm. Maybe it was the primus all along

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  4. Let's not forget that Maldraxus is very likely a living creature, what with all the hair and bones. Perhaps Maldraxus itself, is the Evil Dragon allied with the primus?!

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  5. I just keep now thinking the primus is basically Doctor strange and knew the 1 way to victory, had himself lose then we resurrected him cus he knew it would happen 😅 also bit fishy that he had us go round collecting all the sigils before we even needed them…

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  6. 12:45 Like… this happened with the BBC during WW2… They stopped the broadcast when the war started and Years later when the war was over, they returned exactly at where they stopped.
    But yeah it is hilarious 😀

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  7. And the guy even used Runecarving to craft our legendary armor. What's to say the PCs aren't dominated too? 🤔

    EDIT: Also, ever noticed how oribos has 1 free "slot" in the upper ring? There was for sure another zone planned that they didn't get to release.

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  8. Primus share similarities with N'zoth…it is to have been said that N'zoth would take a loss if it meant that he would win big later on.

    Same with Primus. Just sayin'

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  9. What a brilliant theory, a game theory even.. but shitty pun aside if blizz doesn't implement this AS IT IS asap they deserve to lose all wow players. This is the perfect get-out-of-jail-free-card for their shitty writing (assuming it was not their plan all along, 5D chess with the playerbase and all that). Well written @DiscordianKitty if you don't want to work for Taliesin blizz should get on their knees and beg you to come write for them

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  10. This makes sense when you think about how we've all grown up playing RPG's being told that death, decay, necromancy, plagues, they are all bad, and people that use these or are a part of these things are bad and evil. So with that being the case, why are we suddenly ok with what is essentially the god of death and necromancy lol. I know that Maldraxxus is where heroes, champions of war go when they die, to join an eternal army but warriors aren't warriors without fighting and death, these are still bad things lol regardless of who it is that's fighting.
    So again, why are we so casual and friendly with someone who leads and controls all of that.

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  11. Something I found interesting but not dissected in the video. The Primus hid his sigil in Korthia befor entering Torgast. Korthia, that the Jailer pulls into the maw. That he pulls into the maw from Zerith Mortis. Zerith Mortis where the Primus is forbidden from entering….

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  12. 2 thoughts, if it was truly primus that Sylvanas sees in the teaser cinematic is she still primus dominated cause otherwise she would know and be able to tell is if she felt inclined….? and what if maldraxus itself is a big undead zombie dragon

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  13. Maybe the Primus reveal to us in game doesn’t have to happen this expansion. It could be a future plot line where we find out kinda like we did about Yrel. Set it up for when the big clash of the cosmos happens

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  14. Shadowlands is lazy and the writing is atrocious. The theory is interesting but there's too much to discredit it. Particularly sylvanas with the shadow figure but serving zovaal. It's a change in artwork because blizzard is lazy. That's all.

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  15. This is a much better story than what will inevitably turn out to be live. I might live to eat my words, but I'm just not feeling this many twisty turns are in Blizz's storytelling arsenal.

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  16. Primus is literal happy Santa Claus with cane and all, except his interests include war, 5D strategy, inventing slavery magic, creating plague and undeath, necromancy, crafting soul sucking weapons, and skeletons/skulls with his "mal draxxus" buddies.

    Necromancy alone is something we see at the start of Shadowlands in Exile's Reach when undead dragon is resurected, and just recently we learn about updated areas in Northrend builds, where Galakronds (evil dragon) bones have disappeared.

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  17. Love this theory. I remember leveling through Maldraxxus and thinking "this statue that I am reconstructing is a very compelling and enigmatic character, hmmm" and when I met him chained up I knew it was him. Him being this much of a 4d chess player would fit quite neatly, almost so well it would make up for Zovaal being an underdeveloped turd.

    But I don't think this is it. I can't see the writing team developing the actual antagonist this well, not with their recent track record

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