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where's arthus' redemption he was the jailers pawn as well
By comparison to the trash that I've seen with from WoW (I stopped playing years back) up until now in this expansion, I will say that was…decent. Far from enough to get me into that game again, but still.
This is the earliest you've ever been… lately
I mean this story is completely doomed to be bad and nothing can redeem iteven if this was decent
Very nice cinemátic..and sylvie look t good ….love this
Interesting that they picted Sylvanas and uther from above as all others faded with the same music just like when Sylvanas herself stood infront of Vol'Jins deathbed when she became the warchief. Gotta wonder why they made that paralell, although I doubt it means anything. She wasn't the warchief in this cinematic so it's not an end to her era as warchief…..Oh well. Got me curious, fun fact they flashbacked to the Vol'jin cinematic!
Immediate forgiveness IS the correct response though. If I were to magically take away your morals and the new moral-less you went and committed a bunch of murders, then I made you whole again, would you say you were responsible for your actions while a piece of your soul was missing? No. The answer is "No". And neither is Sylvanas. Sylvanas pre soul split and Sylvanas post soul split are two different people.
Even though the narrative has been on a downward trend, seeing this cinematic was a huge breath of fresh air. It won't magically fix the narrative, it's not possible to walk back on a story this polarizing. But at the very least, we're starting to see some semblance of a resolution.
after all, it took Night Elf / Forsaken players 4 years of agonizing drivel to get to this point. As a Sylvanas fan (prior to the retcons), I'm glad to see a modicum of remorse on her part. Killing her off would feel anticlimactic, but I don't want a full blown redemption either.
It feels like they kind of tried to shove an entire arc of character progression into a <5 minute video, but maybe it doesn't feel that way to people who have played the game more recently than I have. (more context, etc)
But I also think your take is correct, and it wasn't bad.
sylvanas is unfixable because of the her storyline in shadowlands. the nail in the coffin was when she said "i will never serve" (watch pyromancer reaction to that scene).
I think right now we should just be grateful Blizz announced that 9.2 will be the end of Shadowlands. Was thinking the only way Blizz can maybe bring me back to it, its announcing the 10.0 like the new and LAST expansion of WoW and with an EPIC and "ENDGAME" like theme. You know, something like Legion but bigger. After all "Legion" was the last exp that i really did enjoy.
My thoughts on whatever is going to happen in 9.2 are the same as they were back in 8.3: I don't really care, and I am completely fatigued with the Sylvanas plotline.
But yes, props to the art, sound, and music team. Good shit.
That was….short…Is that usual for WoW?
Hmmmm..seems like the message was directed to WoW blizzard it self.
look forward to the "Restored High Elf Sylvanas" model in 10.0
GROAN
I just finished Endwalker MSQ and the level of 5D chess they played and pulled off a full circle back to ARR narratively is absolutely unreal. And coming back to watch WoW feels so fucking depressing.
Agree totally on the Jailer. He's a generic, boring Saturday morning cartoon villain and frankly trying to say he was the one behind everything just taints the legacy of the setting. That said….I WILL give them credit at least that they DID admit that what she did was unforgivable and yes they had her admit that Banshee Queen Sylvanas and Ranger General Sylvanas are the same person and she will have to face some kind of accountability for her actions and they were HER decisions, not 'oh she was being mind controlled this whole time' like some are saying.
its a five minute cutscene, she will save the day then they will all just forgive her, like Grom in WoD.
Sylvanas "Azeroth is free~!!"
Night Elves cheer Sylvanas.
nunca dudé de tu crítica, excelente análisis <3
Oh my god why couldn't they have done this more !
All the people saying she’s already redeemed are just haters and will never be satisfied no matter what blizzard puts out
I loved her until she destroyed home of my favorite race, but I liked her, it’s weird ahah) because she is cool anyway, and now I’m in love again…crying watching this, so emotional
I liked it a lot but i feel like it was the best outcome for a bad developed story
I think the Jailer coming late and the whole soul fracturing thing too BUT I have to say if I made the small change that we knew this earlier I am actually pretty impressed… And I have been a big critic of this in the past.
But look at that, absolutely 0 dislikes, that's a masterpiece of a cinematic.
This was okay, but it just feels too little too late. If they had showed Ranger Sylvanus' ghost haunting her more clearly over the years, I would accept it more. If they hadn't made Undead Sylvanus seem so deathly ignorant for the last several expansions, I would accept it more… but I can't. Especially after seeing what was done in Endwalker… The amount of walking back the Blizzard team needs to do in order to explain EVERYTHING up until now is damning.
I watched this while waiting in que for the first EW trial. And my reaction was simply a meme, "Oh no…. anyways!"
Shouldn't Sylvanas recognize Uther? She immediately recognized him in the Halls of Reflection. Another plot hole?
LoL. Blizzard rally putting patches on the holes. They are trying to so hard to patch back the story telling but already broke the hopes of many lore enthusiast.
This was a step in the right direction. Mind you a step on its own accounts for little in a marathon – and that is what the writers have ahead of them – but it's a start.
Firstly, I have to say that I am glad to finally see a High-Elf/Blood Elf for the very first time in an ingame cinematic. Second, I like the fact that Sylvanas' better half is having trouble accepting that it was her all along who did all of this. Yes, one may say that it's a way for Blizz to take responsibility away from the "new" Sylvanas she is now, but I think she's starting to realize that the absence of her better half has brought nothing but atrocities and that SHE, the "new" Sylvanas, has to become accountable for all that has happened in the past.
THAT RIGHT THERE! is character development. Going from "I did what I did for the betterment of all" (or something like that) to "I have to bare the consequences for the actions I have committed in the past." That is a HUGE leap in character development for Sylvanas. The only thing that I'm worried about, tho is will is stick.
It was a really decent attempt. The plot holes they have created were really bad, but this had some base atleast. I do hope they try and continue that. But like Accolonn says, i do hope they don't mess with Sylvanas more than they already have, and they don't just go, "yaayy you are good now, all is forgiven". If they do that mistake, then sorry, but the lore is truly dead for me….
This cinematic is proof someone in the writing department got fired and someone got hired. This is going in the right direction but it feels like someone just inherited a mess but they are trying to fix it and make it make sense. I appreciate this.
Where do you see a retcon? Retcon ist changing something established or canceling stuff… the jailor is an addition not a retcon. Having the Jailor known before shadowland would have totaly defeated and spoiled his "master behind the string" theme. Sometimes its better if the audience doesnt know everything via foreshadowing. And since Sylvanas throw herself from icecrown, we knew that the valkyr were somehow manipulating her "death vision". We assumed it was maybe nerzuhl oder the new lich king, or even the blood of the old god… but we knew already soon after lich king that something was not right. That just exploded in our face when she started going against her character as soon as azeroths blood was discovered. It was like a "this is it! I will set everything on this card!" kinda thing. There we started thinking about the option of death playing its part (because the 6 sources where publiced at that moment.)… its not a retcon. Its an expansion. For better or for worse.
Fun fact: "The Jailor severed her bond"… what does that imply to… I dont know… a certain paladin wielding his blade… who lost his soul as the first one?
Now we know that the jailor for sure can do that. Like he did with Uther
Im standing 100% with Baine on that one.
3:10 best Baine line for a long time
If she dies in defeat of the jailer then finds rest in the shadowlands she can be forgiven after the dust settles and her arc will have reached a satisfying conclusion. I don’t think she should play a major role once the jailer storyline ends.
Uther's character and voice actor carries this cinematic