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I’ve read through comments over the weekend from segments of players upset over the handling of an oversight that let a handful of players power up their characters much faster than normal. Here’s my take.
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I have a hard time understanding how solo-grinding raid trash “feels good” 😂 I havent had that level of video game stamina/dedication in years…
You know what I used mop for to try out new specs to see how they feel..
Is anyone else finding Jade Temple bugged? Wise Mari isn't spawning elementals, so his shield never goes down.
Tbh I don't mind at all. Personally I play for two reasons: get tmogs and remember my fave expansion. Being op in an event that will expire at August is not my cup of tea
Thats a bad take, its like being in a situation and exploiting it and gaining something others cannot do is kinda shitty. I mean the rewards could have been a mount, or something more tangible this time it was power. What can you do with a lot of power? Probably farm your farm a lot faster. It's not that someone has more, its that someone has more because of something that others can now no longer partake of. You spent time in the game and earn your power that's fair, you got it by doing something that they removed and now others cannot use that same path that is unfair. Thats the real argument here, is the situation is strictly unfair because some got a chance to do it while others didn't, the real solution is just put it back. Who cares at this point.
Here is a video telling you not to worry about the frog farmers while showcasing what you cant do if you didnt frog farm.
It went from "hey this could be a fun way to fill the time until the next expansion" to "i just want the mounts and im out" lol. Im having a good time with season 4 anyway
The issue is people can't do basic math. They look at gear upgrade costs compared to cosmetics and think "woah thats way too much". 1.5k bronze in 10 minutes means 9k an hour. This rate will increase when we are basically one shotting every mob. The cost of upgrading gear is an investment that very quickly more than pays itself.
But alas, like you pointed out in the video, it seems most people don't care about their own progression, what matters is that everyone else doesn't get ahead.
Once blizz see this video they will surely nerfing this farm as well
WoW players will complain no matter what happens
You're missing the point here Breezy. I don't care people farmed frogs. I'm annoyed that people are punished because they DIDN'T frog.+
Let's take your farm for example in HoF, you spent one hour on frogs and a few extra things here and there and you can do it. If I were to try and do that, I'd need to spend a day or more to get the same effect of that one hour of farming and there's nothing comparable. especially at 70 when you're a wet noodle. The problem is the tuning/implementation as always
We were told fast leveling – fast leveling didn't happen – the first toon is as fast if not slower as retail leveling without looms, and 2nd toon starts with a 100% boost, assuming a maxed cloak which is really nothing special, with the extra stats meaning little in the early levels, where you're already 2-shotting everything.
We were told we would be strong – we're not. outside the first 30-ish levels, you feel weak all the time while leveling. The trinket effects only compensate for the stats/power you are actually missing bringing you baseline for most specs/classes. You have to spend more bronze than you can earn by leveling to 70 to feel weaker than a lvl 20 character. It simply costs too much to upgrade gear.
The rewards are there yes, but it runs counter because of the gear upgrade cost and some items are more or less locked to you if you don't level your gear. People won't take you into raids, especially higher difficulty ones and you're out of luck if you want to get things like the looms or tusks.
The idea of spending a month, farming bronze, to spend it on gear, to then MAYBE feel good playing the game every a month, isn't appealing or convincing. THAT'S why people are mad the frog farm was removed. Even if you didn't want to do it in a degen way. one or two hours would be enough to get you to a good 'starting" place.
I never got to play horde much. Remix allowed me to cheese exp to play horde on a new server. Going on my 4th lvl 70!. I dont even care about the bronze at all
#1 if you didn't do frogs… you are behind
#2 if don't do X in WoW you are behind p1 <<<< X >>>> p2 has always been a thing
#3 90 days from now all this is gone
#4 this is a PvE game where you group with others, find those who are ahead and join them and then push up
#5 being able to catch up just isn't a thing, it doesn't happen in real life either… set your own bar and ask others to help you along the way, it works!
Honestly I'm loving playing through all of Pandaria again, I'm almost to level 70 on my first character, but I do work full time so I don't get to play as much as I want. I've gotten several of the cosmetics I've wanted, as I only chose to chase after a few at first. The rest is going to be a bonus. People are always going to hate on things Blizzard does no matter what it is. Although I went into this knowing it was a grind and figured since we have 3 months to do it I'd play as much as I can when I can. I definitely will be able to get everything that I want from it, but maybe not everything that is available.
@SoulSoBreezy Couldnt said better my self, You Sir, hace got the point… That's one of the reasons why these time limited events, when announced, didn't really hit my spot nor have they made me. ezcited because I know for a fact that there will always be some people who think they have got all the rights to enforce their views, opinions, ways, methods and that those folks always thinking they're prettiest, the best and what not, will eventually start an avalanche and storm of GOD knows what when aomething isn't on their own accord… Other reason why I generally am not liking this so called ,,Re-living Past Moments / Timewalks ways whirlies – dirlies / Time – traveling things is simple fact that Past IS A PAST , what's done it's done, we have all moved forward into next set or branch of adventure or adveturing… Over the years there has been quite a fuss and such a drama regarding so called ,,Borrowed Powers / Current Expansion features'' like SL' s fail legendaries, BfA's necklace and cloak thingy PoSh, LEGION'S crappy legendaries and OH MY GOD THOSE ARTEFACT WEAPONS WERE JUST AND MOSTLY A PILE OF HORSECRAP, WoD's legendary shitRings and so on and forrh… Yet in this limited time event people are liking it, which to me does not really makes any sense as you can't like both vanilla or choccolate creams or ya cant like both brunettes and blondies it's either one or the other… But as long as people THINK THEY GOT A RIGHT to bullshitting about eveeything and anything, we will kee getring these nonsenses… Remix MoP generally isn't bad, unlike that Pirates of Warcraft and Azeroth Universe Caribeans shit event, but still it is not the game changer either and to me that sounds / lool like Blizz's testing ground for further research and develop ideas and ways… Who could guarantee to me for examole, that in The Last Titan expansion we will not get rhese gems and sockets shits and crazy ass combos Warriors casting both Fire and Ice magics while smacking and whacking and hackings with Double-Edged-Two Handed axes and 45 kilograms weight Sledge-Hammers… That could be something that surely would turn me down from WarCraft universe and WoW expansion… Instead of these limited time events, they could have time, edfort and resources focused and channeled properly onto A PROPER AND GOOD LORE WRAP-UP OF DF STORY, a well planned and prepared pre-patch thingy wirh a bit more in-depths to WTF are Void Lords, Old Gods, Who the hack are Old Ones and Faceless Ones ; why AND how did we really clashed with Sargie The Space Boi and some more flavour OR stories related to Titans and what really is their deal / goal, as they've seem to start that thread / path in ALMSOT EVERY EXPANSION, but never really got to conclusion… Like Firstbornes menriones in SL 😂… DF wasn't THE BEST OF THE BEST EITHER, but IT SURE WAS A BRWATH OF A FRESH AIR after sooo long of wondeeing left and right and ups and downs, and Dragons story and Draconic Lore COULD HAVE BEEN a bit more firmer and solid, sure we have came to The Dragon Isles, firstly mention in WarCraft I or II (cant really remember exactly on top of my head right now) and the general feeling of veing near and close to Dragons surely felt great, not to mention discovering there's a title called ,,ALLY OF DRAGONS'' ; I' ve barely took a break or a rest or sleep even for like two – two and half months FOCUSING ONLY taht that faction Valdraken Accord… As aside feom what your Bob usually sings :,,HELPING DRAGON NATION'' was probably second best time I' ve had in WoW since the year 2004th and a launch of game it self all the way up to Cataclysm, as feom Cata onwards things have gotten REALLY NASTY FOR WARCRAFT UNIVERSE…
I'm apologizing for taking up too much of a time and space here, don't wanna look like i cry, complain or whinne, it's just that i want a WarCraft what it made in the first place, well knpwn surrounding and story / plot – line and a great fun time game that I've mostly had it over the years(even some portions of SL expansion)
Just don’t gate pieces of gear behind achievements that require invite to a raid.
The issue really isn't the frogs. The issue is the incredibly expensive amount of bronze required for upgrades, and the fact that people who didn't farm them are now fucked as far as the power curve goes.
It woudln't be a really huge issue if not for the upgrade prices and them using the same currency as the transmogs.
Panda Remix, is not a real Expansion… it was supposed to be a fun little sandbox event before the REAL expansion TWW.
So stop fucking defending the bullshit.
It was actually fine to have the frogs as they were… if people wanted to farm them, let them… and if not, then dont…. it is that simple.
FFS Blizzard themselves said: "you will feel overpowered and having fun"…. but the only ones that are overpowered and having fun now are the ones that farmed the frogs.
For me, MoP Remix was a great idea with bad execution. =/ Dev interviews stressed how easy it was supposed to be even for casuals to get gear, get gems, and get transmog/mounts, only for that just not to be true (unless you took advantage of frogs or other farms that quickly got nerfed), and even now if you want to get into raids or groups, good luck if you didn't do that. It's boring.
It's not about the different "systems" that let's people catch up or you are capped every week for upgrades. Blizzard chose to nerf the best farm and then didn't take away the power people got from the exploit. Blizzard CHOSE to alienate 95% of people who play Remix
I mean the hate is basically that certain people exploited and are able to do end event content while most of the others can't. It's a 90 day event, i know we are used to getting everything we want right away, but just enjoy the ride. I think my only critic so far is the enemy scaling, the second you hit max level, it's like running into a brick wall.
Come clean soul. Show your cloak stats and tell us how many hours you really farmed frog. Otherwise your take on "not a big deal" is laughable.
"much faster than normal"… say it how it actually is. "Gotten to a power level you can't get without exploit".
Your tone is different in this video. I think you fear the backlash, you don't seem happy making this video but it must be damage control.
I can't finish watching, you're out of touch with why people are upset.
Tbh the "I want it my way so change everything" is the real life world we live into today with countless made up "genders" and the like so I'm not surprised to see if surface in game.
I'm just grateful that I have a chance to get some of the stuff I couldn't due to not playing certain types of content or just shitty luck on RNG drops.
It's a fun thing and I'd like to see another expansion done like this.
I feel personally people put too much pressure on themselves that they MUST collect everything and be the top in everything much to the sacrifice of any fun they could have.
I've mained a Warrior all the way from Vanilla and damn we've had some shitty times but also some wonderful so it balances.
If this were current content that massively impacted current progression then I could see the fuss.
Finally if you set the mindset hat no matter how much you want it there will always be someone ahead of you and you'll never catch up then you're setting yourself up for a fail.
If you think I'm gonna enjoying this and get what I can in the time given then I guarantee you'll have a better experience.
I too only have limited playtime these days
Gone are my all night raiding days of Wrath so I do what I can when I can and guess what?
I'm enjoying it far more than I ever did.
I quit Season of discovery because of the incursions being bugged at the launch of phase 3. Blizzard hotfixed it but the damage was done and they wouldn’t roll anything back.
Here we are again with this frog thing for MoP remix, and again it’s been hotfixed with no character rollback.
I’m not going to spend 50+ hours playing a limited game mode to earn what took someone else like 5 hours.
I have leveled 2 characters to level 70 and I have a little over 27k bronze between both of them so I have given up on trying to get everything (anything really).
I was curious how I would stand up to your Heart of Fear farm knowing that while I was aware of the Frog farm and several other in time to exploit them I chose not to as I just don't normally enjoy playing the game that way. The result was was straight forward from my perspective. Your Heart of Fear farm is not viable at this point for the average player that did not participate in any amount of farming. So that one hour netted you a significant amount of power gain more than I think you gave it credit for.
That said I have enjoyed the remix and playing it my way has been fun for me. I do not agree with players calling for others to have their rewards taken away. I do not think their way of playing and hopefully having fun diminishes my own experience.
Also as I have said to you many times in the past I am tired of players expecting and demanding Blizzard to correct player behavior. Players have control in that as well, and most only ask Blizzard to step in and fix something related to player behavior that they themself do not benefit from. It only ruins their experience right up until they get something from it..
Brother, you have 1.6mil hp, you didnt do frogs for just an hour lol
Make a new account and start over, compare it to this guy that is so far ahead of 90% of the playerbase and report back to us how that goes
"care how others do" , that's the problem ,not the game , not the devs , not mechanics…. that's the root to many problems we deal with..
I think the real kicker here that has me upset is less so that I missed frogs, but more so that they added the spools to achievements, and those of us who mostly skipped frogs or other power-chasing to go get those achievements are not retroactively being awarded the spools and player power that now comes with those, which feels super awful.
Envy is exactly what it is. I farmed 2x 1 hour frog sessions but it was mind numbing so I stopped without a care if it got nerfed. I was actually farming when the server reset and I told everyone around me the coins no longer dropped before anyone caught on 😂
Today I was at Sha of Anger and saw a DK with 510 gear and 6.5m HP. This player must have done 30+ hours of mindless frog farming to get that. What is the result? They get to solo content and kill world bosses quicker. Who does that benefit? Them and everyone around them.
The issue isn't the "froggers", it's the people requiring/demanding them for groups or only taking them over everyone else. Make your own groups if that's an issue for you, we all had to progress in some way with players of a similar level/gear…
The fact that MOP remix is a PVE only event tells me everything I know about the dev’s faith in themselves to avoid exploitation
Any joy I had in remix ended when group finder started only allowing "frogged" cloak havers to join normal and heroic raids, and getting kicked from dungeons and LFR for not having a "frogged" cloak. I'm just gonna finish up more quests to get enough bronze to buy the 2 mounts I want and move on.
I think the part you are completely missing is the scaling. Why does a level 12 healer do 10 times the dps as a level 70. It doesnt feel fun to get weaker as you level up
The best way to “get mad” about a leisure time activity that people turn into a full-time job because they aren’t doing anything else in their free time is probably to just stop doing it no?
An ok place to still farm lesser charms is the Ordos elites i got 420 in roughly an hour on my tank in a 5 man spawns are somewhat quick and the rares drops clock upgrades not the best but still something to do if ppl want to farm but I agree if your cloaks not high asf you get screwed over in trying to clear raids. Plus a decent side note is you get emperor rep too.
im having a lot of fun with MoP remix
I watched this video half expecting a crappy, tone-deaf take, and I was not let down.
For the most part, player who didn’t exploit the frogs aren’t mad at the players who did. We’re mad at Blizzard for being lazy and not tuning the frog farm (which has been a known about for over a decade) ahead of launch. We’re mad at Blizzard for how they handled it. They could’ve hotfixed it and rolled back the cloaks of exploiters (Which would anger a minority of players. They could’ve let it be, since they didn’t catch it before it was used and it’s not like there’s a Comp Season for it to affect. But what did they do? They hotfixed the frogs and left the exploiters’ cloaks untouched, solidifying the power gap between the minority and the majority. They picked the shitty middle road that requires the least effort.
On top of all that, we’re upset with Blizzard for advertising this event as a way to “experiment with how you play” and “become super powerful”, only for them to nerf farms and railroad players into specific content for power and rewards. It’s a repeat of Plunderstorm’s “Even casual players will be showered with rewards”. Blizz is lazy and controlling.
Besides all that… the fact you farmed frogs and have played more than the average person (since you are a content creator) to the point your can SOLO Heart of Fear shows that you are separate from the everyday, non-sweaty players. No wonder you’re completely out of touch with general playerbase for this event. Bad take my guy.
Nah you danced around the frog thing and that hour farm you mentioned was enough to let you farm in hear of fear. Its okay though you’ll get rolled back.
this feels like devils advocate for sake of devils advocate, and frankly its boring.
Imo just wipe up the servers and give people free 70 boost + boost bronze by at least 300% and nerf bronze cost for upgrades.
I just did a raid where the top 2 dps was a frogger and a level 25 healer…
I am glad to see people enjoying this temporary new game mode. Personally, I have no interest in Plundaria or Pandastrom or whatever the hell it's called. I have friends that play it, but it's just not content I am interested in. I would prefer that instead of making dead end filler content that Bliz would just focus their time and resources fixing the 10+ specs in retail that are damn near unplayable.
This is such a cringe video that seems like “victim blaming”.. the fact you said people were always going to complain because certain no life “streamers” got far ahead is completely missing the point. The frog farmers will forever be months ahead of everyone else’s which would have never happen without how broken the frogs were. Like the fact a dps has 2Mil health and does 800k dps single target after 1 week of remix is insanely broken.
Sooo… was the HoF grind being shown just hotfixed?