Ironman is different than Hardcore, they're similar, but in the early stages the rules and name were made very distinct, and it was the community developing the name and rules alongside Kargoz. Regardless of where Kargoz and company took this, I was there in the beginning when Kargoz made Ironlad (if you know, you know) and it was just a fun little experiment. There is no way anyone could have anticipated how Hardcore would explode in popularity. It wasn't some corrupt scheme, it's as simple as they got popular, then got greedy. It's a shame, and it appears that the Addon and monetization structure violated the ToS.
However, Kargoz didn't do anything malicious in his creation of Hardcore and the community that resulted. He facilitated a whole new game mode to enjoy WoW. Alexensual is presenting this as if Kargoz is some villain motivated to damage people and the game, he's a gamer that makes content. He may have overstepped his bounds with the monetization structure of the guides, but that's hardly a crime against humanity.
I always wondered why Blizz made a HC official server before a new fresh or TBC server, despite the fact that many more players have been asking for those, and for longer. Hopefully Microsoft will clean some of this shit up.
This is sad. But at the same time, the people are to blame, because they're the ones enabling this. If people didnt fork over money for this stuff, it wouldnt exist. Players are the reason bots exist, because bots exist to farm gold to sell it, and the only people buying the gold are the players. Players are to blame.
Funny thing about it being nostalgic…. In 04 we just had wowhead to get guides, we didn't have content creators. Our leader had a guide for us on each boss. A few sketches in mspaint, and we went and did it.
Calamity is an unreliable source though. Her and her entire HC Elite guild cheated in their own Hardcore challenge. Everyone in the HC Elite that had the core raiding spots had free death passes. Her word is meaningless. Also Kargoz is kind of a failure. He's not even good at wow. His guides were shit.
Never liked this WoW Classic Streamer Society. Thanks for investigating and exposing these scumbags. Good work! After I watched this I read the comments under kargoz last video.. I was shocked bout his fanbase and disbelievers. 😮
Guess all these so called "big streamer" wannabes never understood what classic was about in the first place. What a shitshow!
Sadly i bought the RXP ultimate bundle in TBC. WotLK then came out, and the ultimate guide now had it included, for the same price as i had bought it.. but since I bought it during TBC, they wanted another $25 per faction for the WotLK content. That's right… an extra $50 fee charged to existing users for 10 more levels which were now included in the bundle i had already bought.
I feel like this is a massive nothing burger and is trying to make a mountain out of an ant hill. Yes they advocated for themselves and tried to make money using their resources. This doesn't even seem bad. They were just successful. The only thing I can say is bad here is the favoritism from blizzard
But what about the tournament casted by esfand and the mage guy ? I hadn't followed much wow past 2 years but I watched the tournament and the skill level was insane, the commentary was great, idk it just felt right and epic. Thanks for putting the info out there tho
This is the stupidest fucking video ever. RXP provides players value and in turn, players pay for that value. No one is harmed. Kargoz has done amazing things for the community and this is just a silly hit piece written by someone who clearly does not understand business or the real world.
I am going to be honest. This is shady capitalism, but like doesn’t seem too bad. Simply do not buy RXP and this is literally a non issue and nowhere near the biggest issue from blizzard in regards to the health of wow classic.
Not supporting kargoz and crew at all, but like this seems stuff is unanswered like why would kargoz delete his whole channel?
10:25 people in 2005 would be banned for respawn abuse. no they wouldn't the night elf run was based on it for doing it at level 1 and doing it faster. what?
I dont like where Kargoz and HC turned, but ai love classic and HC. I dont associate with the streamers or any of that scene. Its a game that I love, and im not let them or anyone else tarnish it. The game is what you make it. I guarantee if you don’t listen to others and play the game that you love, you will find what you were looking for.
RXP just released their SoD guides that are only included with other products. Already paid $20 for a guide? Too bad- pay $25 just to get SoD. The fact that there is not a stand-alone ~$5 option for the Season of Discovery guide is ludicrous at best and dubious bullying business practice at worst. I'm not going to say it makes RXP look like money grubbing scammers that actively spin a negative aspect of their product to their customers as if it were a positive thing, but it does feel like and appear as if I am being scammed right now.
By acting in this way, RXP are in-effect snubbing past customers that have already purchased a guide, and under the guise of it being for the customer's own convenience; which is the part that irks the most.
At least rested xp is a single but. I’ve used zygor for years and it was a monthly sub of like $10.99. I’d gladly pay $35 for alliance and horde 1-60 guides.
Tried the RXP addon out, fortunately for me in my case while makes the levelling incredibly fast it makes the game boring for me just blindly following an arrow letting the addon play for me.
This is so stupid. 1. it doesnt hurt any player that doesnt use RXP (including me) 2. Let people get their bag for putting hours of work in, i believe that our addon makers deserve compensation. 3. Technically ironman existed 1st your right but i dont think it woulda blown up like HC did (Hydrox vs Oreo). 4. There are more pressing issues in the world then a group of 10 people getting money they earned.
Decent video, you make a good point. But you're such a whiny little girl about it. Why are you trying to ruin peoples Classic Experience because of an Addon Scheme? Putz
The amount of people defending Kargoz actions tells me there are large groups of people in on it and that's what concerns me more and all you gotta do is literally just look through the comments with the highest rating to see what I mean. Absolutely soulless money grubbing goblins that care only about the money.
This video was just the start of the RXP/Hardcore drama in Classic WoW. See this playlist for the full saga: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGe0Eg7JvkY&list=PL_n6suUxbecgoELQfwU56sDwAaqc-DoW3
704 morons who fell for advertisements and paid money to Rested XP devs disliked this video.
cry me a river!
Ironman is different than Hardcore, they're similar, but in the early stages the rules and name were made very distinct, and it was the community developing the name and rules alongside Kargoz. Regardless of where Kargoz and company took this, I was there in the beginning when Kargoz made Ironlad (if you know, you know) and it was just a fun little experiment. There is no way anyone could have anticipated how Hardcore would explode in popularity. It wasn't some corrupt scheme, it's as simple as they got popular, then got greedy. It's a shame, and it appears that the Addon and monetization structure violated the ToS.
However, Kargoz didn't do anything malicious in his creation of Hardcore and the community that resulted. He facilitated a whole new game mode to enjoy WoW. Alexensual is presenting this as if Kargoz is some villain motivated to damage people and the game, he's a gamer that makes content. He may have overstepped his bounds with the monetization structure of the guides, but that's hardly a crime against humanity.
Thumbs down from me.
I just watch my man Madseasonshow and level my toon on era. I dont care about these tryhards.
I always wondered why Blizz made a HC official server before a new fresh or TBC server, despite the fact that many more players have been asking for those, and for longer. Hopefully Microsoft will clean some of this shit up.
This is sad. But at the same time, the people are to blame, because they're the ones enabling this. If people didnt fork over money for this stuff, it wouldnt exist. Players are the reason bots exist, because bots exist to farm gold to sell it, and the only people buying the gold are the players. Players are to blame.
What a waste of my time. Just sound like a hater 😅
So is rested xp a bad guide because it seems the fastest to me. Or are the people behind it bad
This just proves to me that Hardcore was not an organic game mode. Players were manipulated into playing and paying for it.
Funny thing about it being nostalgic…. In 04 we just had wowhead to get guides, we didn't have content creators. Our leader had a guide for us on each boss. A few sketches in mspaint, and we went and did it.
Calamity is an unreliable source though. Her and her entire HC Elite guild cheated in their own Hardcore challenge. Everyone in the HC Elite that had the core raiding spots had free death passes. Her word is meaningless. Also Kargoz is kind of a failure. He's not even good at wow. His guides were shit.
Never liked this WoW Classic Streamer Society.
Thanks for investigating and exposing these scumbags. Good work!
After I watched this I read the comments under kargoz last video..
I was shocked bout his fanbase and disbelievers. 😮
Guess all these so called "big streamer" wannabes never understood what classic was about in the first place.
What a shitshow!
Sadly i bought the RXP ultimate bundle in TBC. WotLK then came out, and the ultimate guide now had it included, for the same price as i had bought it.. but since I bought it during TBC, they wanted another $25 per faction for the WotLK content. That's right… an extra $50 fee charged to existing users for 10 more levels which were now included in the bundle i had already bought.
Never giving them another cent.
I feel like this is a massive nothing burger and is trying to make a mountain out of an ant hill. Yes they advocated for themselves and tried to make money using their resources. This doesn't even seem bad. They were just successful. The only thing I can say is bad here is the favoritism from blizzard
Holy crap return of the king
How is this not bigger? Needs more views
I wanna see Asmongold reacting too this
But what about the tournament casted by esfand and the mage guy ? I hadn't followed much wow past 2 years but I watched the tournament and the skill level was insane, the commentary was great, idk it just felt right and epic. Thanks for putting the info out there tho
Interesting video
I don't think this is damning enough but I think it is enough to say Kargoz and friends are pieces of shit
This is the stupidest fucking video ever. RXP provides players value and in turn, players pay for that value. No one is harmed. Kargoz has done amazing things for the community and this is just a silly hit piece written by someone who clearly does not understand business or the real world.
Man I got into Wow cuz of Kargoz. What a gift.
But you know what they say, never meet your heros. RIP Iron Lad
I am going to be honest. This is shady capitalism, but like doesn’t seem too bad. Simply do not buy RXP and this is literally a non issue and nowhere near the biggest issue from blizzard in regards to the health of wow classic.
Not supporting kargoz and crew at all, but like this seems stuff is unanswered like why would kargoz delete his whole channel?
10:25 people in 2005 would be banned for respawn abuse. no they wouldn't the night elf run was based on it for doing it at level 1 and doing it faster. what?
I dont like where Kargoz and HC turned, but ai love classic and HC. I dont associate with the streamers or any of that scene. Its a game that I love, and im not let them or anyone else tarnish it. The game is what you make it. I guarantee if you don’t listen to others and play the game that you love, you will find what you were looking for.
RXP just released their SoD guides that are only included with other products. Already paid $20 for a guide? Too bad- pay $25 just to get SoD. The fact that there is not a stand-alone ~$5 option for the Season of Discovery guide is ludicrous at best and dubious bullying business practice at worst. I'm not going to say it makes RXP look like money grubbing scammers that actively spin a negative aspect of their product to their customers as if it were a positive thing, but it does feel like and appear as if I am being scammed right now.
By acting in this way, RXP are in-effect snubbing past customers that have already purchased a guide, and under the guise of it being for the customer's own convenience; which is the part that irks the most.
"First things first. RXP Media has not scammed anyone, and will not scam anyone. Ever. As a company, we have always been very upfront & open about what we sell and do." – https://www.restedxp.com/our-statement-on-the-false-claims-made-against-us/
Such colossal losers. They deserve what's coming to them.
real chads never bought this crap
5th Horseman was onto something… dmn
Gaming world has become a garbage hole! It makes me so sad 😥
At least rested xp is a single but. I’ve used zygor for years and it was a monthly sub of like $10.99. I’d gladly pay $35 for alliance and horde 1-60 guides.
Tried the RXP addon out, fortunately for me in my case while makes the levelling incredibly fast it makes the game boring for me just blindly following an arrow letting the addon play for me.
This is so stupid. 1. it doesnt hurt any player that doesnt use RXP (including me) 2. Let people get their bag for putting hours of work in, i believe that our addon makers deserve compensation. 3. Technically ironman existed 1st your right but i dont think it woulda blown up like HC did (Hydrox vs Oreo). 4. There are more pressing issues in the world then a group of 10 people getting money they earned.
Decent video, you make a good point. But you're such a whiny little girl about it. Why are you trying to ruin peoples Classic Experience because of an Addon Scheme? Putz
i mean jsut play the game and none of what any of them matters lol
cringe video lol
I am sorry to share a name with him
I just pirate it , information wants to be free (or something like that)!
The amount of people defending Kargoz actions tells me there are large groups of people in on it and that's what concerns me more and all you gotta do is literally just look through the comments with the highest rating to see what I mean. Absolutely soulless money grubbing goblins that care only about the money.
same bro. wish i could erase the memory of this video.
Anyone who paid money for a addon to help them quest is a moron…….you do know wowhead exists right completely for free lmao
Crying about a paid addon and ill bet half of you bought gold and paid for boosting lol