Loved this video and regret it took me ages to find your channel (I'm not watching Twitch man). Not negative, just realistic, honest feedback that maybe Blizz will actually watch/hear/do something about.
I think Shadowlands is better than BfA overall. Playing the game solo is boring but at least you can pretty much ignore all of it and just raid log, whereas in BfA besides raids you had to grind islands, essences, world quests and visions to avoid falling too far behind. It's not in a much better place, but I'd call it a step forward.
In all honesty I think BFA was WAY WAY too much loot. I think raiding needs to drop more loot though. M+ is fine though especially with valor now. Raiding was so unrewarding I was forced to grind keys to keep up with my guildies who actually got loot to drop. M+ is wayyy too rewarding in 5-6 weeks 85% of the games loot is useless thanks to them giving 226 loot for about as much effort as normal raiding
Make me feel bad about my PvP skills – I’m usually a perennial 1900+ 2s player but I can’t get past 1600 this season. I don’t have a regular partner tho
I'm grateful there isn't too much power progression grind/important daily stuff.
Not everyone can play every evening for 4+ hours or more, i'd even say the overwhelming majority can't/doesn't want to play like that. I'm not stating we should go back to wod levels of raidlogging but at the same time your perspective on the matter is likely very different to the average WoW player.
I don't think a lack of gear is an issue, it's that the gear SUCKS and is unrewarding. It's all stat sticks and on-use damage, and very small incremental upgrades. Nothing that is really palpable to the player. We had a small taste of it in Legion with the Relics, and some trinkets like Convergence of Fates from Elisande, or the Cocoon from Elerethe where it affected the players gameplay. And then, when you do replace a normal piece of gear with it's heroic counterpart, do you really even notice?
my time in world of warcraft is over as it ended before 9.0.5 came out. im tired of putting my time and effort into the game to get blatantly DISRESPECTED by blizzard. fuck them
Towelliee thanks for making this video man. I’m sad with how poor of an expansion shadowlands has turned into and I fear that this might be the best that the current dev team has to offer.
It should have been Legion and then the last expansion after it about the old gods or whatever. Now they will keep milking it even when its a rotting corpse. An undead cash cow.
I played for about two weeks then quit, as a casual. Maybe WoW just isn't the same for me anymore and I should stop subscribing for 6 months and buying expansions.
Fully moved to Classic. How many more times must I run Castle Nathria?? Like, there’s nothing to do. Nothing to work towards. And like, why should I be forced to play PVP to have fun? I have nothing against PVPers. In all honesty I’m jealous b/c I suck at it. But for someone who always has loved raiding and progressing and having fun with friends, this expansion is really really not it. No one in my guild gets on anymore. Everyone’s quit or moved to classic. Idk how Blizz thinks they can get away with one raid for 227 days. Just absurd.
I see alot of streamers complaining, while at the same time those streamers get their ass boosted in arena, M+ and raids and then call the expac boring and 'nothing to do'. I'm still having loads of fun pushing keys and raiding (9/10M, almost there! :D)
I knew it 😀 people will complain about this .. I KNEW SINCE they talk about this and i knew people will QUIT ..yes YOU HATED WF/TF and gear shower in BFA you spoke LOUD 😀 but now you got what you wanted and you don't like it
Shadowlands is downgrade not an upgrade you can buy a ferrari and than switch to old trash car sorry you can only GO forward never backwards beacuse when you are going backwards you get SHADOWLANDS 🙂
Spot on, man, but TBC Classic & D2R are gonna save Retail again. The art & story of SL are great, the systems are not. They should fire John Hight, who is responsible for this pay per play rubbish as Exec Producer – he's been pissing me off since D3 RoS.
Shadowlands at this point is dead in the water until the new raid. Which if they don't release by the end of may then a lot of people will be quitting until it is released.
Personally I don't have any issues with the gearing system in Shadowlands. I am nearly full BiS and now just raid log and do a key + torghast every week and to be honest its great for me.
After 11 years, almost 12, I've moved on to FFXIV and I haven't looked back. I don't hate WoW at all, I just can't be bothered with it anymore. The anima grind SUCKED, no new classes or races I could deal with for a time, but now, I just can't be arsed with it. 9.1 in August potentially? plus the lowest time option being 60 day with the 30 day being removed? add to that the buggy 9.0.5? Maybe WoW has been going too long and has gotten too big for its own good?
Man… I hope Blizzard glosses over Titanforge comment here, we spend four years trying to get rid of it and now this video will make it seems like the we don't know what we want. Not saying he has no right to like Titanforging but hope Blizz's knows it's not the majority that likes it.
When they fucked us with M+ Loot, shitty class changes, a new borrowed power system that is broken, and the turd on the shit sundae is the inability to farm older raids for transmog and mounts like we could in BFA. I leveled 14 characters to do mount and mog farm in BFA, I quit the game now, and will not be returning. Fuck Blizzard.
Ooooo Zach watched my video live. Comments now make sense. Continue
Also they better HOPE 9.1 doesn't come August…New World Online is coming and nobody is gonna give 1 single fuck about 9.1
Loved this video and regret it took me ages to find your channel (I'm not watching Twitch man). Not negative, just realistic, honest feedback that maybe Blizz will actually watch/hear/do something about.
we dont even get the PVP chest after a bg as reward with gold etc. fuck WOW game is dead af
I think Shadowlands is better than BfA overall. Playing the game solo is boring but at least you can pretty much ignore all of it and just raid log, whereas in BfA besides raids you had to grind islands, essences, world quests and visions to avoid falling too far behind. It's not in a much better place, but I'd call it a step forward.
Yeah I stopped playing, cant do it… Once a week I get a heroic CN raid, we're on Denathrius but other than that… hard to want to play.
In all honesty I think BFA was WAY WAY too much loot. I think raiding needs to drop more loot though. M+ is fine though especially with valor now. Raiding was so unrewarding I was forced to grind keys to keep up with my guildies who actually got loot to drop. M+ is wayyy too rewarding in 5-6 weeks 85% of the games loot is useless thanks to them giving 226 loot for about as much effort as normal raiding
Make me feel bad about my PvP skills – I’m usually a perennial 1900+ 2s player but I can’t get past 1600 this season. I don’t have a regular partner tho
I'm grateful there isn't too much power progression grind/important daily stuff.
Not everyone can play every evening for 4+ hours or more, i'd even say the overwhelming majority can't/doesn't want to play like that.
I'm not stating we should go back to wod levels of raidlogging but at the same time your perspective on the matter is likely very different to the average WoW player.
I don't think a lack of gear is an issue, it's that the gear SUCKS and is unrewarding. It's all stat sticks and on-use damage, and very small incremental upgrades. Nothing that is really palpable to the player. We had a small taste of it in Legion with the Relics, and some trinkets like Convergence of Fates from Elisande, or the Cocoon from Elerethe where it affected the players gameplay. And then, when you do replace a normal piece of gear with it's heroic counterpart, do you really even notice?
Towelliee:
"im a grinder"
Also Towelliee:
complains about grinding
my time in world of warcraft is over as it ended before 9.0.5 came out. im tired of putting my time and effort into the game to get blatantly DISRESPECTED by blizzard. fuck them
Bfa is worse than sl but it’s like comparing shit and piss
Towelliee thanks for making this video man. I’m sad with how poor of an expansion shadowlands has turned into and I fear that this might be the best that the current dev team has to offer.
It should have been Legion and then the last expansion after it about the old gods or whatever. Now they will keep milking it even when its a rotting corpse. An undead cash cow.
I played for about two weeks then quit, as a casual. Maybe WoW just isn't the same for me anymore and I should stop subscribing for 6 months and buying expansions.
Fully moved to Classic. How many more times must I run Castle Nathria?? Like, there’s nothing to do. Nothing to work towards. And like, why should I be forced to play PVP to have fun? I have nothing against PVPers. In all honesty I’m jealous b/c I suck at it. But for someone who always has loved raiding and progressing and having fun with friends, this expansion is really really not it. No one in my guild gets on anymore. Everyone’s quit or moved to classic. Idk how Blizz thinks they can get away with one raid for 227 days. Just absurd.
play black desert online
Honestly can't wait for ashes of creation.
I see alot of streamers complaining, while at the same time those streamers get their ass boosted in arena, M+ and raids and then call the expac boring and 'nothing to do'. I'm still having loads of fun pushing keys and raiding (9/10M, almost there! :D)
I knew it 😀 people will complain about this .. I KNEW SINCE they talk about this and i knew people will QUIT ..yes YOU HATED WF/TF and gear shower in BFA
you spoke LOUD 😀 but now you got what you wanted and you don't like it
Shadowlands is downgrade not an upgrade you can buy a ferrari and than switch to old trash car sorry you can only GO forward never backwards beacuse when you are going backwards you get SHADOWLANDS 🙂
Boosted 226 gear….is bored.
I hear ya bruv, but 2.1million gold yikes.
Boost= carry, no disrespect.
It’s why you’re paying.
Spot on, man, but TBC Classic & D2R are gonna save Retail again. The art & story of SL are great, the systems are not. They should fire John Hight, who is responsible for this pay per play rubbish as Exec Producer – he's been pissing me off since D3 RoS.
Shadowlands at this point is dead in the water until the new raid. Which if they don't release by the end of may then a lot of people will be quitting until it is released.
Towelliee is trying to stay relevant. The majority of WoW players like Shadowlands. No one cares that you arent having fun.
Personally I don't have any issues with the gearing system in Shadowlands. I am nearly full BiS and now just raid log and do a key + torghast every week and to be honest its great for me.
After 11 years, almost 12, I've moved on to FFXIV and I haven't looked back. I don't hate WoW at all, I just can't be bothered with it anymore. The anima grind SUCKED, no new classes or races I could deal with for a time, but now, I just can't be arsed with it. 9.1 in August potentially? plus the lowest time option being 60 day with the 30 day being removed? add to that the buggy 9.0.5? Maybe WoW has been going too long and has gotten too big for its own good?
We are missing content right now not more mindless grind everyday.
I play 6-10 hours a week and I'm getting bored…
this is exacly what i am tryin to saying in wow forums. then they said stop moaning.
They know this is a shit show yet they will still do shadowlands classic in years to come… I'm just lost for words I loved this game.
Man… I hope Blizzard glosses over Titanforge comment here, we spend four years trying to get rid of it and now this video will make it seems like the we don't know what we want. Not saying he has no right to like Titanforging but hope Blizz's knows it's not the majority that likes it.
Storming and Spiteful killed it for me. Two of the most unfun mechanics as a melee.
When they fucked us with M+ Loot, shitty class changes, a new borrowed power system that is broken, and the turd on the shit sundae is the inability to farm older raids for transmog and mounts like we could in BFA. I leveled 14 characters to do mount and mog farm in BFA, I quit the game now, and will not be returning. Fuck Blizzard.