Wowza, conflicted with the Enhance placement. I absolutely clap in Random BGs on my enhance sham, granted I was 185 ilvl week 1/2, maybe see a dip in performance as other people catch up now. But as far as running around solo capping objectives and picking 1v1s or even 1v2s I can easily dominate almost any class except maybe a sub rogue when I don’t have any CDs or lock stones to derail the initial burst
Dude, congratulations on losing 100lbs, I'm a new viewer and that is awesome. I would have never guessed that. I'm struggling with my own weight atm and hearing news like this is encouraging. Excellent work and keep at it!
How about tank specs in random BGs? I know its a bit of a meme, but I had a ton of fun as a brewmaster monk in pvp in bfa. I was practically unkillable and would regularly top both the damage and healing meters. Its hilarious how often I'd get multiple people focusing me and completely ignoring the objective, allowing us to win just from me being a pain in the dick.
What drugs are you on ranking frost dk at the bottom? I'm consistently top damage, offensive CD's are only 60 seconds, legendary provides a massive AOE stun, grips and so impactful…. what da hell
Anyone can give advice that which healer is better for 2s Holypala or disc? I would play with rogue and enhashami Later maybe arms. Which is the minddead easy comp?
even after nerfs rogue and ret still 1 shot people, how does that happen, how does this pass balance check in apha and beta, and still consistantly play easier then other classes after a big nerf, other classes with the right player are jsut as effective, but no normal player is going to be able to react to the burst of ret and rogue within first 30 secs of arenas, just going to cause people who have no business being high ranked to be high ranked, back pedaling rets are 2 buttoning experienced glads atm.
Atleast fury is getting a little love. My ideas of fury tank are broken. Because of one talent not being usable. So I am considering not playing now.. because blizzard is so unfair. All I needed was onslaught talent usable with a shield equipped.. but it's not. So I dont even feel the same way about this game anymore. 💔🥺
Dude ret is a wheelchair with dmg brings no utility to a rbg max a C tier, all classes have insane dmg right now, what rbg needs is priest to mind control people of a cliff shamans that throw 5 people off one warlock mage for silence cc, rogue to sap cap, dh for mobility, war with healers on it it's amazing front line I don't agree with this chart.
I disagree pretty strongly with a lot of the placements, but tbf I've only looked at the list so far, haven't listened to the reasonings so I'm sure there's sound logic behind the placings
TL;DR changes: Frost/unh A maybe top B; Enh A; WW top of A; Fury over arms B; sin, outlaw, Havoc C;
That being said, 1min cd for big burst and chillstreak 45s cd you can just destroy pretty much anyone, the burst is as good as anything besides like sub or mm, and enh has good burst and great self heals too, I'd move both of those up, ass outlaw and havoc down(havoc is imo trash, the healing kinda sucks in pvp, the single target damage is bad, you have to talent into a snare or a stun, the only thing good is the night fae ability, one big hit and then back to bleh, even in meta which is not always up), fury up good damage and self heals.
I'd say frost and unh are about even, frost can burst more often which is very nice, and the cleave is baked into single target rotation, chillstreak is super easy to get value out of in bgs. Unholy can play range better with pets, clawing shadows, and epidemic/death coil, but as always has the gcd problem and longer cds, and pets can be kited. I think both have their strengths and weaknesses and overall comes out to be about equal. I'd probably put them both at A because both are the melee with most range besides surv which is nice in bgs, and also the anticaster kit, but maybe B because the self healing outside of lichborne is really sad and they are very squishy with only a 30% wall on a 3min cd.
I would say fury is ahead of arms for bgs because of the self healing, I think the damage is similar but maybe I'm wrong on that. I'd be tempted to put ww on the same level as ret/feral but they just have so much self heals…speaking of, I would bring enh up to probably A tier honestly, the burst is very good, especially with the legendary, and the heals are very good. The only issue is the squishiness and self healing tied to mana. Havoc and the bad rogue specs can have bottom tier, maybe even put havoc a tier lower just because it has nothing besides night fae ability, damage is subpar, healing is subpar, cc is meh only an aoe stun and an incap, have to choose between a snare or a long stun feels bad, defensives are okay but no dodge on blade dance hurts
I love seeing these lists and seeing enhancement at the bottom of most. I swear the spec can never catch a break in pvp. This is the first expac I have to give it up.
I’m feeling good I’m windwalker sub, unholy and my 4th almost 60 is feral lol
Thanks for your vids
Me, maining an spriest: I need to watch a melee RGB tier list.
Wowza, conflicted with the Enhance placement. I absolutely clap in Random BGs on my enhance sham, granted I was 185 ilvl week 1/2, maybe see a dip in performance as other people catch up now. But as far as running around solo capping objectives and picking 1v1s or even 1v2s I can easily dominate almost any class except maybe a sub rogue when I don’t have any CDs or lock stones to derail the initial burst
Dude, congratulations on losing 100lbs, I'm a new viewer and that is awesome. I would have never guessed that. I'm struggling with my own weight atm and hearing news like this is encouraging. Excellent work and keep at it!
No way unholy isn’t S tier lmao
How is sub insane in pve when we literally have the hardest time in torghast? In pvp we are broken…
ww is actually squishy as fuck. unless you have all mythic 0 quality pvp gear you’ll get torn to shreds whenever karma isn’t available or wears off.
How about tank specs in random BGs? I know its a bit of a meme, but I had a ton of fun as a brewmaster monk in pvp in bfa. I was practically unkillable and would regularly top both the damage and healing meters. Its hilarious how often I'd get multiple people focusing me and completely ignoring the objective, allowing us to win just from me being a pain in the dick.
I don’t think Havoc burst is on par with MM..like seriously man!
Thanks for the list. I find it easier to find ranged i enjoy in bgs. Melee not as much so this is helpful
Of course my two classes are enhance and Frost DK.
What drugs are you on ranking frost dk at the bottom? I'm consistently top damage, offensive CD's are only 60 seconds, legendary provides a massive AOE stun, grips and so impactful…. what da hell
"You need a healer or it didn't with." – shit awful warriors day
In Random BGs, Survival Hunter is great because nobody knows how to play against them. 😉
Even after the nerf on ret pally there still S ?
Grats on the weight loss 🙂
Anyone can give advice that which healer is better for 2s
Holypala or disc?
I would play with rogue and enhashami
Later maybe arms.
Which is the minddead easy comp?
even after nerfs rogue and ret still 1 shot people, how does that happen, how does this pass balance check in apha and beta, and still consistantly play easier then other classes after a big nerf, other classes with the right player are jsut as effective, but no normal player is going to be able to react to the burst of ret and rogue within first 30 secs of arenas, just going to cause people who have no business being high ranked to be high ranked, back pedaling rets are 2 buttoning experienced glads atm.
great content as usual, thanks!
Atleast fury is getting a little love. My ideas of fury tank are broken. Because of one talent not being usable. So I am considering not playing now.. because blizzard is so unfair. All I needed was onslaught talent usable with a shield equipped.. but it's not. So I dont even feel the same way about this game anymore. 💔🥺
Yea gotta disagree with this one
Thinking ret is top tier in bgs lmaooo, ya nice mobility
Dude ret is a wheelchair with dmg brings no utility to a rbg max a C tier, all classes have insane dmg right now, what rbg needs is priest to mind control people of a cliff shamans that throw 5 people off one warlock mage for silence cc, rogue to sap cap, dh for mobility, war with healers on it it's amazing front line I don't agree with this chart.
Leaper plus barbarian plus bounding stride on my fury warrior is so meme and I love it
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Frost DK should be in F dumpster fire shit garbage tier.
A venthyr disc will kill a feral druid.
awesome video good information. thank you
Great I want a melee alt so this was helpful!
Why is frost below average when unh is higher then average because of their tooltip? They have the same stuff exept a pet stun
I disagree pretty strongly with a lot of the placements, but tbf I've only looked at the list so far, haven't listened to the reasonings so I'm sure there's sound logic behind the placings
TL;DR changes: Frost/unh A maybe top B; Enh A; WW top of A; Fury over arms B; sin, outlaw, Havoc C;
That being said, 1min cd for big burst and chillstreak 45s cd you can just destroy pretty much anyone, the burst is as good as anything besides like sub or mm, and enh has good burst and great self heals too, I'd move both of those up, ass outlaw and havoc down(havoc is imo trash, the healing kinda sucks in pvp, the single target damage is bad, you have to talent into a snare or a stun, the only thing good is the night fae ability, one big hit and then back to bleh, even in meta which is not always up), fury up good damage and self heals.
I'd say frost and unh are about even, frost can burst more often which is very nice, and the cleave is baked into single target rotation, chillstreak is super easy to get value out of in bgs. Unholy can play range better with pets, clawing shadows, and epidemic/death coil, but as always has the gcd problem and longer cds, and pets can be kited. I think both have their strengths and weaknesses and overall comes out to be about equal. I'd probably put them both at A because both are the melee with most range besides surv which is nice in bgs, and also the anticaster kit, but maybe B because the self healing outside of lichborne is really sad and they are very squishy with only a 30% wall on a 3min cd.
I would say fury is ahead of arms for bgs because of the self healing, I think the damage is similar but maybe I'm wrong on that. I'd be tempted to put ww on the same level as ret/feral but they just have so much self heals…speaking of, I would bring enh up to probably A tier honestly, the burst is very good, especially with the legendary, and the heals are very good. The only issue is the squishiness and self healing tied to mana. Havoc and the bad rogue specs can have bottom tier, maybe even put havoc a tier lower just because it has nothing besides night fae ability, damage is subpar, healing is subpar, cc is meh only an aoe stun and an incap, have to choose between a snare or a long stun feels bad, defensives are okay but no dodge on blade dance hurts
I play feral/resto Druid AND sub rogue 😂
I am so proud of you for making a generally bell shaped tier list and not everything at one end. They grow up so fast!
I stopped watch in g when DH was A tier lol you can’t be serious. They’re horrible
I really look forward to watching your vids.. you rock!
I love seeing these lists and seeing enhancement at the bottom of most. I swear the spec can never catch a break in pvp. This is the first expac I have to give it up.
Hey supe, would love to see a tier list on arenas on 2's and 3's!
Look at me, maiming druid for decade and suddenly being fotm for a while! 😂
Loved the video. Could you please do rated battlegrounds next.
Explains why I was getting run over on my Frost DK… T_T
Rand bg healer tier list next! Great content 🙂
darkness is an AOE iceblock? wtf? 😀 not at all