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World of Warcraft Shadowlands makes sense on the surface but once you dig into the WoW Shadowlands Lore it becomes quite clear that things are not so cut and dry. What Is happening the Warcraft Lore ??
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Idk if anyone has ever noticed but look at denathrius his legs and feet closely. combine this with him being quite huge and the horns on his head…. looks a lot like Illidan Stormrage, I'm wondering if he's hiding some wings under his armor too…
Lord of Dread….Dreadlords?
why has nobody made the connection between the Arbiter or her servants, and the Dealers.
They're literally the exact same "species"; blue-flamed, sentient things with no face lol.
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hey acco, thx for the great content. can you please look onto what the red guy shirt and taliesen and evitel mentioned about maldraxus being a creature not a zone? i will wait for your speculation
yo anyone remember when gorak tul said "ill wait for you in the blighted lands"?
Isnt it weird minus void all of the cosmological forces are represented in the eternal ones primus: death. WQ: life. Denathrius: fel/chaos kyrians: light. Arbiter: order/arcane. Sorry if its already bin pointed but its been buggin me
Ok big tinfoil hat time for this is crazy theory; The Jailer took similar path of Sargeras it seems as a betrayer. What if Jailer killed an eternal one or more powerful the first one that creates eternal ones of shadowlands. While the memory of runemaster Jailer tolds us about the helm and frostmourne "the knowledge/power that the first ones sought to hide" he gains a glimpse of this knowledge to kill the first one. And at the moment of killing the first one took something valuable from Jailer part of his power may be. Remaining eternal ones hides the body and the power taken from jailer to the sepulcher.
Here it is getting crazier what if that this first one is Azeroth, and more crazy to add this what if Elune is the sister of Azeroth she got pissed to this treachery and attack with the force of light and void into shadowlands we knew that she holds the power of both, and when these forces cant invade she unleash night warrior to take down the betrayer. As we hold the power of Azeroth a first one, the relics of first ones react to us and our deaths has different mechanics from other beings in shadowlands as seen in game
What if it is the other way around. The jailer kept true to his purpose and protected the purpose of all souls. but first As the cosmological force it was his job and the runes on his body is the power what the first one gave to him. His younger siblings were the caretakers of the covenants. But i don't believe they are family except for the primus. Look at maldraxxxus and the arena. it got 5 points and with the seat of the primus overlooking everything. Why did build it this way? why 5 points just like the pantheon where Zuvaal was the leader of? I think the Primus and Zuvaal were not only the only brothers but the Primus was zuvaals little brother. WHy would the primus create maldraxxus in the image of the shadowlands? Each house also looks a bit like all the covenants. House of rituals? bastion. House of the chosen ? revendreth. And the theather of pain was the maw. The center where every covenant comes together and with Zuvaal who oversees it all.
We know the light and the void were up to something in the shadowlands. If you want to influance something why would you go to the most powerfull. The oldest of the eternal and blessed by the first ones. And the primus with his unpar insight and the sire as the lord of dread they seem to smart and to powerfull to even try to influance.The only place where the void is clearly manisfested is in bastion and the light waged a war in revendreth and i believe the shadowlands were whole back then. One naru is still in revendreth helping the prince. Is it still possible that the void always had a huge influance on bastion? Look at those memories they are trown out yourself. You must forget yourself to ascend you must become void to ascend. The void keeps influnce the leader of bastion ( forgot her name ) she seems to emotional. Why must everybody forget except her? she still hold a grudge it doesnt connect.
What is Zuvaal was never the jailer. His purpose was to oversee the covenants and keep the balance. The only difference between a keep and a jail is a lock. What if zuvaal never became the jailer of death but the jailer of light. The first ones already blessed him with the highest seat and made him death himself. The light attack with almost all their power but the shadowlands as a whole doesnt looks like it could with stand that. Only the one who is blessed by the first one could win from the light. Instead of destroying them he jailed the light in to one purpose and one naru must stay in the shadowland to keep a light on. By trapping and dooming the light in following one truth, the truth of their purpose Zuvaal commited high treason and the void benefited from this chaos and influenced the bastion leader to convince to trap their most powerfull allie.
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Perhaps order came to the shadowlands to take over Death and were succeeding. To keep Death going Zovaal invoked the power to save it and became its avatar.
And another theory I have is perhaps Zovaal is being consumed by the power of Death just like Tyrande as the Night Warrior which is why he needs to consume as much anima as possible, to keep up with the power that came with the burden of becoming the Avatar of Death and to keep him sustained until ultimately order has been defeated and Death can reign supreme over the shadowlands as it originally was before hand.
They all have a shade of blue they look the way they do now to reflect on there zones. They are siblings
or the primus, they didnt call him as brother either.
The Primus is not the original ruler of Maldraxxus 😀
The Drust are servant's of the Old Gods
The Masked Fae are now Drust, the Drust talk about Masters and they didn't exist long enough for this
The time thing makes no sense though. Jaina had no idea how long she had been there and shes a mortal, who still cares about 'time', so why was time warped for her if its just the same in the shadowlands as it is on azeroth
From looking into it the 🍄guy said in the beginning it was just him and the queen and it was perfect, then she kept building and covered his perfect 🍄network in other foliage. As for the Drust, they were originally Kul Tiran. As druids they started experimenting with dark forbidden magic that twisted their form and that is why they were banished to the in between.
I love these long theory videos. Much rather tune in for 30-40 minutes rather than the 10-15 min ones.
i haven't finished watching video , but I get this feeling there will be no talking about denathrius's origin as a dreadlord. i mean why we never talk about it?
he even looks like a dreadlord. i knew it since I saw the guy. the name is also kinda dreadlordish. and the elements of his visuals as well as the confirmation that once he was a lord of dreads. so what about it? can we speculate from that point please?
Don't play the drinking game with the word brother on this video. You'll die before you reach half way.
Haven't finished listening but, the Drust and Ardenweald being their original home.
Ignoring any reasoning that the timeframe here will not add up, if they created Shadowlands in its current system eons ago, then how old are the drust? Did the planet of Azeroth (planet, not the titan) even exist back then?
But yes, ignoring that, we have had it said that the Emerald Dream si the Spring/Summer, while Ardenweald is the Fall/Winter. The Cycle of Nature is not all Life, it must also be Death. Plants and trees come to life from a seedn, it grows, it bears fruit and spreads its seed, and then it dies. And from its dead trunk comes nutrients that lets new seeds grow. It is a Balance, Life and Death. Full-out Life becomes all-consuming, like the Sporemounds on Draenor.
So, if the Druids on Azeroth are the nurturing, healers and creators and have the Emerald Dream, can the Drust then just be the ones that tend to the dead, making sure things die in due order, that it is used and prepared to give new life, and that their world was Ardenweald? But then the Winter Queen just came in and took over.
Maybe Spirits were never ment to be reborn. Maybe they were ment to dissipate to give rise to new souls. Maybe this whole rebirthing is an unnatural cycle. A Prison..
I wish they would just let us skip the maw part. I like the maw part, but when you seen it a millon times time to skip
So can I ask you a question? Why do you make the assumption that 'Death' is basically Oblivion or something like that and that 'Death' is only reserved for whatever Zoval believes it to be? I mean, throughout history, civilizations, etc… 'Death' means many very different things. Maybe Zoval "Led" the Pantheon of Death and began to believe that 'his' idea of Death was the only Death.
It does not matter what Zoval believes Death is supposed to be, what matters is what Death actually is.
Death in Nature is always and in every culture throughout history, has been a cycle of rebirth, seasons, etc….
For many religions, there is a 'Heaven'… which is opposite of Hell, which is also widely and almost always believed in in one form or another in almost all religions.
Obviously, like you said, skeletal stuff is clearly death related, but that is beyond obvious, I mean, almost all life, except crustations and jellyfish like creaures have some form of skeleton and when they die, the skeleton is the last to go… ??? But why would that be ''More' important and factor more heavily on what Death is, than say, the actual real cycle of Life and Death, which we can see clearly in the world around us, and is a fundamental part of Mortality, which Death cannot exist without Mortality (Life). If there is no Life, than there is no Death.
Kyrestia, is in game refered to as 'First Borne'… I don't know what that means, is it possible that She is actually the First Borne of the Pantheon of Death, when mortal Life arose, Death had to Begin, because to be moral, you die. As soon as a Mortal came into existence, where would they go when they die. Possibly, the First Ones, who are supposed to have created everything, What if while creating, say they created the Cosmological Map, Forces, Light / Void, Order / Disorder… Life THEN Death, because you can't have Death before Life… it is not possible.
What is possible, is that the Prime Forces… Light/Void, Order/Disorder, Life/Death, were not always even what we know them as. They may have been more Primal than that.
If that is possible, and the Chronicles are to be believed… Light came first, an ocean of Light. As Light spread, pockets developed, and Void manifested in those pockets. Contrary to a previous video of yours, I had to go back and read the Chronicles again…. the Twisting Nether was not from a battle between Light and Void, where Light and Void touched, collided, whatever, Choas developed, I.e. the Twisting Nether and Chaos. I don't believe Light and Void wanted to destroy one another, they are just opposing forces. Also, Order was formed most likely by latent magics created by the explosion of Light and the clashing between Light and Void, pockets of energy left behind became sentient and had gravity, which pulled matter around them creating Planets. They eventually would awaken and become Titans, so that would tell us that Disorder came before Order, because Chronicles, and the Titans themselves tell us that Light was first, then Void, then the Twisting Nether/Disorder, then they awoke, began to seek out other Titans. There could not have been Mortal Life in the Great Dark Beyond before there were planets for them to live on, so we can say that Life must have come after the previous four. If each of the creatures of the other forces return to their realms, for example Void, Old Gods… and Deamons, Twisting Nether/Disorder, then there would be NO Reason for there to be Death, as nothing would go there!!!
Once Life, Mortal Life was created, then Death would come last. Where is Life to go when it dies? Should it not go back to Life, like how they describe the Void, Light, Order etc…???
That makes me also believe that Life / Death are much more intertwined than any other Forces.
It is possible that Death was not Death before Mortal Life, and the Forces of Life were not Life before Mortals. It is possible that Zoval was the original 'Titan' of whatever Death was before Mortal Life???
Is it possible that Elune is what Life was before Mortal Life??? IDK, just spitballling.
If Kyrestia is the First Borne. It is possible she is the First Borne of the Titan Pantheon, because as soon as a Mortal dies, something had to bring it to whatever Death was, and you would think that may have been Kyrestia.
Possibly, Zoval got too big for his britches, and decided his idea of Death was the right idea. Therefore, the First Ones, banished him for messing with their creations and now he wants revenge.
It is possible that because Death was last, you are right, the other Death Titans do have aspects of other primal forces… Bastion: Light…. Ardenweld: Life… Maldraxxus, Order…. Revendreath, Disorder.
IMHO Death is last and Zoval wants it to be first. He messed up something real bad, and had to be banished.
IDK, I think you are way too slanted, you never make theories or even consider that Zoval is the bad guy, he messed up and that the other realms are actually part of Death, just not in the way that Zoval or you want to think about it, but its doesn't make them less about death.
I believe in Hell and oblivion, but I also believe in Heaven and an afterlife, both are valid, your beliefs determine that.
It's stated by Denathrius, in the afterlives cinematic, that Revendreth is the source of securing anima. They're the ones that draw it out of sinful souls, and then it is taken from Revendreth and ferried to the other realms to be used as the leaders see fit.
One thing I am curious about. What is Bolvars weapon called
Winter Queen stating she created Ardenweald says to me that she made Ardenweald into what it is today. I definitely agree/think that the Drust were the OG Caretakers of Ardenweald (if thats what it was called then) and somehow got yeeted during the Banishing of Zovaal (cus they probz opposed it, whereas the Primus got convinced to go ahead).
When denathrius says torrent it could be referring to the breaking of the/a system
Could the sire be the lord of ravens perhaps?
I think all the eternal represent the cosmic force so-
Winter queen is life
Primus is Death
The arbiter is order
Denthrious disorder
Kyrestia is light
Jailor is void
I'm sorry. I am subscribed and I watch you all the time, every single video, even though I disagree with you quite allot…. at 44 min you are commenting on the meeting the Winter Queen, Kyrestia, the Honored Voice, the Player and Prince Renethal have. You ask why are the other Eternal Ones are so afraid of Zoval, and if they are the same, Death Titans, why are they afraid of him?
Think about the Order Pantheon. Sargeras was the Champion, it is said plainly by Blizzard and even the Titans themselves that Sargeras was the strongest of them, their champion, Sargeras even defeated the entire Pantheon, they just had an escape and their essences/souls were saved, (TBH I'm not saying how, because the details are fuzzy,) but the point is….
Sargeras was just like the other Titans of Order, he was not the leader, but he was the strongest and defeated the others. I mean come on, he fell to Disorder and defeated his peers on the Pantheon, is it so hard to believe that just because the Death Pantheon Eternal Ones are all Death Titans and each has their powers, strengths, weaknesses, duties, does not mean that Zoval, in his role was not powerful enough to kill them. They did banish him, so working together it seems they were able to subdue him, although possibly with help from somewhere we don't know yet.
Also, something you said contradicts what something else your saying. "They drew upon the heart of the forest to make the Maw inescapable" which says that the heart of the forest existed while the Maw was escapable and even that, we know that the other Death Titans were around to banish Zoval and there was a betrayal, which means they were around together. It doesn't matter who came first. Aman'Thul, was the first Order Titan we know of, he was not the strongest, but he was the oldest. Kyrestia is called The First Borne, for some reason, we don't know yet.
Another thing to consider is that you have said that it is weird that each of the Death Titans seems out of place like Kyrestia is more related to Light, and Winter Queen to Life… It is the same in the Order Pantheon, Sargeras was the champion and was reffered to as a Paladin. Eonar is the Titan of Life, in the Order Pantheon.
Have you considered that their is a Titan in each of the Pantheons that is also connected to other Titans/Forces/Pantheons? It is clearly stated that the Primus was connected to some other power that gave him the ability to repeat battles endlessly to determine all possible outcomes and create strategies, sounds like a connection to either Aman'Thul/Order/Time or even dare I say the Void who we all know sees all Truths/possiblities… Damn, imagine if somehow the Primus is related Void??? Holy Cow!!!
I know, I'm sorry, I only comment on your videos once in a blue moon, and when I do, its with a wall of text… God I hope you read this and don't hate every word.
The Dread Expanse touched on this a while ago
Keep em coming Accolonn loving all the speculation!! You've earned a lifetime sub brother.
I feel like brothers could still serve or consider the other master. I think of kings and queens. Your brother or sister may be king/queen, but you still serve them. They are still your master.
She made arden as in built the civilization that's there now? Not the actually area itself?
was watching another content streamer an they have an interesting video talking about how the zone maldraxxus might actually be a living thing an they give various pieces of info on how it might be so but i just thought of something that could be very telling if its true that malraxxus is living it would tie in to how ardenweld is tied to the winter queen an if she falls (dies) so does that realm, the primus isnt dead as im certain he is the runeforger so maldraxxus hasnt fallen fully but it has gone into disaray with the primus being gone what if Zovaal's true plan was to destroy the other zones not to be free him but to regain control over what was truly his to begin with and that was to control death the other cosmic forces didnt like this idea of him being stronger than all of them so a few banded together (light,life and order) and they imprisoned zovaal in the maw which was a zone ment for the truly damned and irredemable and created the others as an act to keep him from what was truly his .. Azeroth. it was foretold in the rings it was always ment to be death has always been destined to claim azeroth as it's one of the only cosmic forces that truely can't be destroyed only contained
I love the drust. I hope we learn more as shadowlands goes on
With the "revelations" of mourneblades makes me reflect back to BfA about Xalatath and Nzoth.
To me it feels like foreshadowing. We do not know where Xala'tath went, but we do know theres a vacancy in the dagger perhaps?
Which Wrathion stabbed into Nzoth which did something to him and the blade. After Nzoth is defeated, we dont hear anything more about the blade or what wrathion did with the blade.
Might the whole "Crucile of Storms-test" been to see test us if we would be able to fulfill his goal so he could live on in the blade?
If I wonder what a Oldgod-mourneblade would be capable of. Especially if this could be brought into the Shadowlands.
What if Death = Zooval + Arbiter (A heart in a construct)? Maybe The Jailer that we know is not the Zooval that it used to be. The arbiter is like the "sense of justice" that was taken from Zooval to judge souls. That's why the current Zooval has no empathy and seems lacking of all emotion. Maybe at the end of Shadowlands we could find that the Eternal Ones are the bad guys. Maybe Zooval was a just ruler but his power was envy by his brothers and maybe some of them framed him. I find weird that the Primus could see diferent outcomes of infinit battles. Maybe he made a deal with the Void and betrayed and frame his brother Zooval. Maybe we are making a mistake helping The Runecarver to recover his memories.
You may think, but how they imprisoned him being so powerfull? Maybe he was so just and wise that accepted the judgement of his brothers and was teared apart. It was only when his heart was taken from him that he begins to think in vengeance
About being "Brothers", I think it is not a biological type thing, siblings. I think it is more a "Brothers in Arms". Our Titans (Aman'thul, Norgannon, etc) are not neccesarily siblings, they are just of the same kind. They call Sargeras Brother.
About the empty, scarred, pillar at the Arbiter, remember that we are still just Patch 9.0. THere are a few pathways at Oribos that don't lead anywhere. Yet. So this empty pillar opposite the Arbiter could be a place currently under attack or not yet revealed or similar, somewhere we will be going next patch. However, the fact that they dont even mention the absence of someone from their little quartet, especially as they comment on the Primus not being there, is wierd.
Remornia is the Red streak that hit the Arbiter, speculate that.?..
Denathrius is a dreadlord, mark it down.
I'm getting Tal Rasha vibes from Zovaal. What if he WAS one of them, who volunteered to serve as a prison for something far worse? This may be totally wrong of course, but Blizzard does have a knack for resuing plot threads like this between their games. That would fit with him being called the Jailer though.
From what we know of the Drust, they were vrykul who went out to sea at some point after the Sundering and settled on what would become Kul Tiras. They were normal druids at this point, respecting nature and living in balance with it. However, it was when Gorak Tul came around that he began to pervert the Drust magic, and the thornspeakers hated him for this. And this was long before the war with the Gilnean settlers. The settlers arrived roughly 2,700 years ago, the war erupted, and Gorak Tul turned to darker powers in desperation, unknowingly tapping into Thros, and thus cursing the Drust to what they are now. I don't think the Drust were the original inhabitants of Ardenweald, but as shown by Kivarr, they certainly had a place there due to their previous druidic practices. But their fall into Thros due to Gorak Tul caused them to lose favour with the Winter Queen. And since the curse of Thros only fell upon the Drust 2,700 years ago or so, that means the previous attack that Marasmius mentions must have occurred soon after. The Drust likely knew of Ardenweald and its potential for rebirth due to their druidic links, and they wanted it.
except the drought only started is when the Machine of Death is broken by the champions of Azeroth, (legion) by machine of death. It's argus the unmaker. We broke the machine of death, we destroyed argus and broke machine of death, not Denathrius it's not denathrius he did not start the drought We broke the, machine of death thus the drought begun in BFA.
There's a line a droman says that he mentions he senses a ancient and FAMILIAR evil stirring or something close to that. It sounds like this isn't the first run in with the drust. Also the tree people/things mention they were there in the beginning which makes me think it was before the winter queen. Honestly its kinda all over how the way the shadowlands works isn't how it was. In Bastion a quest has you do things "the OLD way" and then you bring the gift to another npc she wants to soulbind with.
I believe that the maw itself is death. Zuvaal isn't whats growing when anima enters the maw but its the MAW itself that grows from the souls. I believe that zuvaal can wield its power but he's not death itself. The maw was obviously there before Zuvaal. The natural flow of soul is to the maw. Oribos serves as a damn keeping that from happening.
Your brother can also be your friend, even your master. Your brother can be a monster instead.
What belonged to Zovaal and what he wishes to reclaim is the damn orb from the chest of the Arbiter (maybe his heart, sort of) – which was taken from him, as they banished him.
I think as the winter queen loses anima she will turn to the drust queen
I believe the Drust were Vrykul, who used blood magic notably the Skorn. The Vrykul sailed to Drustvar and battled everyone. They bound souls into constructs and did what the drust do in Drustvar until they were imprisoned by a glacial mist created by Ysera and (I think) Nozdormu.