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Today we talk about the state of Assassination Rogue in Shadowlands and everything that comes in between! A deep dive with Ravenholtd discord big boys Mystler and Whispyr tackling the shadowlands assasination rogue m+ rise in performance as well as the assassination rogue shadowlands rotation, issues, possible fixes, what can we expect in future patches and basically all things assa rogue pve so be sure to listen / watch until the end for a very juicy conversation on the spec. As always stick to MarcelianOnline for more spec specific chats and also be sure to check out the boys on the links below:
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hi man. great that you're talking about assassination 🙂
Cheers from Puerto Vallarta, Mexico. Guys u are soooooo awesome !!!
How dare you spell my boi Whispyr's name wrong!!!!! D:< /flips every table (only mostly joking xD)
Gonna need to finish up tomorrows video so I can give this one a thorough watch. An excellent choice for folks to have on the show, guys. <3
HELL YEAH
Oh yes! I'm doing heroic CN for the first time tomorrow. This came in real clutch! Thank ya
Uhm, so, a big shoutout to our wonderful guests: Mystler and WHISPYR!!!!!!
We misspelled the boy's name, and we would like to blame it on smoke bomb, we couldn't see him properly!
I love assassination.
Why do you care about class balance in a game where there is none?
This is the worst I have seen wow in a long time.
Hey, it's Marcelian with a really well aged Harry Potter .
So assassination hasn’t always been big on bleeds, cata, mop and wod we had rupture but it was purely applied to get energy through VW. Garrot and bleed mastery damage only came in with the legion pre patch, mop and wod we were a execute spec through dispatch. One of the best times assassination played was HFC with 4 set and class trinket. Also you were correct, in wod with the reduction of button bloat SND was made a passive called improved SND which activated off mutilate, blizzard stealth removed this in legion for some garbage reason. Fact is blizzard gave little attention to assassination in beta, first point of proof is that they gave us SND back without testing and had to fix with cut to the chase, second is the main rogue with SL announcement was we were getting poisons back….sin got no poison back, and finally the 18% damage buff. The talents need overhauled, MP is dead, vigor should be baseline, anticipation should replace vigor to make that row CP focused and VR and exsanguinate should be scrapped and replaced as they are dead talents. I like the PB stack idea but auto usage of thoes stacks with shiv and envenom would make it essentially passive and boring. You could have stacks build like destruction chaos bolt charges then we have PB as a button to use when and where we decide. If I brought in a talent it would be similar to feral multi rip talent. Rupturing strikes, costs 5 CP, 70 energy, a relentless flurry of strikes that applies rupture on up to 3 enemy’s within 8 yards.
Before watching the vid i will say that assa rogues are very good raiders 🧐
Ohh yeah, assassin! My new main for 9.1
Yes, it's a headache to choose between Poison Bomb and Crimson Tempest. Proc chance of PB is too low & sometimes doesn't even proc. The RNG isn't pleasant at all.
The last talent row as to be tweak a little bit.
I hate having slice n dice as a button. Just leave it so envenom gives you slice n dice and make it completely passive.
Tragic, f for Whispers alts 8p
i think when it comes to Slice n Dice, i feel that Blizzard thought that helps ASS (they need to change the name to Ninja lol) with their Poison procs, but that alone isnt enough to make SnD viable compared to other finishers with the spec, instead i'm either doing Rupture or Envenom, maybe even Kidney Punch sometimes to stall. (my ASS is level 30 atm, full Heirs and 24 ilvl on the other slots.)
that Talent issue is why i dont invest too much into Crit, unless you actually Crit, it does nothing for you, kind of a garbage stat unless you're a lucky devil overall, and i dont worship RNGsus…
i wish Fan of Knives could apply Poisons, that would make the button worth pushing imo, maybe a talent to always Crit with Fan would be nice too, kind of play into the Rogue/Ninja fantasy.
another thing they can do to make Fan of Knives better is if you hit 5 Targets with it you generate 2 Combo Points, idk i'm on a tangent to make Fan better because AoE is kinda non existent. XD
Thank you for such a long, quality video!
Hope to see beautiful The Red Rogue in the next 'State' series 🙂
Heyho, assa main since start of legion here. Only ten minutes into the video: Whyspir knows, what he is talking about. Well, I loved legion assa, too, but bfa was definitly the best ever. M+ with 3x shrouded and echpoing blades was hella fun. It had it's downside, as you could never be strong in st AND mt simultaniously, as you had to switch azerit traits, talents, essences etc. every time. But, outside of balancing, assa was so much fun! I even loved the expedientbuilt at the end with corruptions!
Bfa was a strugeling expansion indeed, but play-wise I had fun almost the whole time. <3
I have always wonder who had the better dot damage between feral and assassination. I have been thinking on picking up Rogue to play assassination.
The general ideas you are describing might as well apply to Affliction warlock as well.
Is that the guy from UP on the right?
Can you guys do a state of enhancement shaman next? I think they need some recognition and some love.
I personally prefer simpler spec's and really don't mind downtime. I like to be able to take a breath, focus on mechanics, watch my footing, be able to choose/skip music playing in the background, not feel like my dps is hampered because of not living 2 doors down from blizzards headquarters (here's lookin at you Fury Warrior). I quite enjoy the Sin playstyle. Been mostly playing Hunter and Mage this expansion but sometimes I really miss my Rogue. She was a pvp alt of mine that started off at lvl 29 for years, and then slowly worked her up the brackets over time. The only time I enjoyed Sub rogue was the first iteration of Shadowdance while I had her at 69 I believe. Was fun doing 11k Ambushes on players when most none tanks had 15k hp or less. I have really, really, really NOT enjoyed Roll the bones, so Assassination has been the only rogue spec for me for awhile now.
Assassination is fun and it slaps. End of story
an hour long video on assassination rogues?
YES PLEASE 😀
I would like to see SND give a bonus attack speed to all party members at a reduced rate from them. Would give a reason why to maintain the buff besides a damage increase and give us great group utility. It would probably bring melees back into the meta and make warrior tanks and rogue combos great.
Make Venomous Wounds count Crimson Temptest as a bleed that ticks energy back! Love the vid guys
I 100% love sin on st target but hate the aoe damage even when dotting up is so fun
State of havoc gogogo.