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Hate is strong word, maybe they just “Don’t Care”. World of Warcraft has always been a grindy, time intensive MMO, but there are larger problems that are plaguing Blizzard’s game design. In this video we analyze the reasons as to why Casual and New players are kept from enjoying or even experiencing most of what the game has to offer.
Thanks for Watching! Let me know what you think about Casuals in WoW in the comments below! I hope you enjoy the video!
All music is by Mikel, with the best Legend of Zelda Lofi I’ve ever heard. Give him a listen!!!: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icwbu-9douY
Lemme get dem Time Stamps!:
Intro: 0:00 – 1:50
What is a Casual Player? : 1:51 – 4:30
WoW was not made for You: 4:31 – 10:00
The Information Gap: 10:01 – 15:15
It doesn’t have to be this way…: 15:16 – 17:00
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I was debating giving wow a try while taking a break from ff14, instead, I'll go back to my gw2 ranger. Thanks for the video, great work.
I agree completely with everything, but honestly just remove the subscription and most of the issues would not be so annoying. I just started playing during pandemic, and have already stopped because of the subscription. It’s ridiculous to be paying monthly to play a game, and especially a game that has been going down hill in quality. Again though, many of the issues would not be so talked about if the game was free. Games are allowed to have issues and rough patches, but not if you have people paying for it every month. They loose so many players and so much money from subscription, and I know so so so many people who would play if it was free. Destiny 2 makes more money than wow, and it’s free. Charge what you want for expansions or store cosmetics, but remove the subscription. It will also bring in more people to give more advice and make a better game. Activision and blizzard will make more money without the sub, and they don’t need more money.
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Nice video keep it up 👍
Since classic I hated the sistem and the fact that at the end you had to play with a certain build in order to do raids etc, I prefer to do small dungeons, and now I have much more fun, also I like to explore and leveling, and now I like to collect pets ☺️ I don't have the patience and the dedication to have another job yes, it feels like work to raid and perform to meet their expectations.
Really nice video, but there is something between casual and HC, it's when you try to perform, but you meet the toxic wow community…
I was told by the customer service rep I spoke with when I quit WoW near the end of Mists that "grinding is the essence of MMOs, right?" I was an altoholic and I just wanted a few things to make that less grindy. I didn't want to do something for each alt. I didn't mind grind.
Any "required" addon should be a part of the core game.
WoW : The soyboy production machine.
I agree with some.
But i can never agree to an excuse for not knowing where to get specific stuff.
Yes WoW-Head is a thing but people seem to forget that it´s supposed to be a social game… well at least in some aspects which isn´t that present nowerdays anymore.
A simple question in the general chat could work wonders.
And if nobody answers???
Well the so called casual gamers wanted it that way.
Allmost no interactions and isolating inside their own box.
Im sorry and i have nothing against casuals, but playing an mmorpg and not willing to deal with their own class (which also includes getting tips from other players) is beyond my understanding.
Well they've been making it more and more casual, I wouldn't be surprised if they released it for consoles at one point making it tHe GaMe FoR eVeRyOnE
I miss so much my early days in wow. I started playing in WoD, and it was wonderful for me, I was always doing something, jumping from expansion to expansion, until I got to the max lvl and waited for Legion to drop, when it came my sister bought for me, and it was magical, doing a bunch of quests in that new world, playing my first DH, it was amazing, until I did almost all the zone quests and the patch for Tomb of Sargeras dropped, and i wanted to do the raid, but i didn't knew how, i couldn't use the Raid Finder because I was too undergeared and didn't knew how to get better items, and it was like this for the whole expansion, until it finally ended and BfA dropped, and my will to play kinda dropped, i just came back to play WotLK Classic, because people say that expansion was amazing, and now, here I am, slowly trying to get into the game just to have the same fun I had before, kowing well that this will never happen
“ wow has always been a grindy MMO”. I actually disagree with this. Let me explain. I started my MMo journey back in 1999 with EverQuest. Since that game came out and I was introduced to the genre, I played several different mmorpgs, but when wow came out the big appeal of the game was that by comparison, it wasn’t briny at all. It was a game that you could just level up and get decent experience just by doing quests. Blizzard was all about progress and moving the genre forward.
Videos like these made me choose FFXIV over WoW when I started playing mmorpg's last month
MMORPGs are not for casual gamers. They are supposed to be a long term laborious simulations of fantasy worlds. They are not suposed to be a quick and easy lobby based coop game.
Its not a game for you. And i know it because you axiomatically asumend "the best content in the game" is its latest patch. You are like a fucking child when someone dangles a colorfull piece of plastic garbage in front of it, its NEW so it must be THE BEST! NOTHING ELSE MATTERS! >SKIPS CONTENT> "WHERE IS THE CONTENT!?"
howlly good video, but wow is a EZ mmo, more now in dragonflight, but im not a casual player at all, i have no kids, and my spare time i spend in games, buut im not hardcore, almost wow is a game i can spende time a be good, are another MMO like Old Tera, Aion, Ragnarok Online, u neeed spend ALOOOOT of time in the gamse and be good with u character and know all the machanics, + aloot more of another things u can bearly imagine + no addons at all, some of that game u speend 3 month is just be max level, thats the games i play ass a kid
I quit wow today
You are sooo wrong tho!
1. Casual = relaxed, chilled etc. it has NOTHING to do with raiding or not raiding. Just coz you play raids it does NOT make you a none casual player.!
2. Hardcore = a gamer who will do ANYTHING it takes to improve / get better / understand and will in most cases understand the mechanics VERY fast coz they put ALL their effort into the content / beating the content / becoming the "better player".
So this video is all wrong, what WoW has done is making the game SOOOOO much more casual, COZ they made the raids / harder versions of dungeons less hard than they used to be, so now EVEN a casual player can play the content!
Hardcore and Raiding has NOTHING to do with eachother. It used to be that coz of the raid was without explainations etc. so you had to be investing TON of hours to do raiding back in the beginning of this game, now you just read an information about a boss and go in and beat it. EZ mode.
What they actually have done is making their Hardcore playerbase run away from this game! and made way more casual players participate in raiding than ever before. But that does not mean they aint still casual players, yes they might be raiders but they are (chilled "casual" raiders) or hardcore raiders.
Also, you can be a hardcore PvP player and a casual PvP player within this game. lot of Hardcore raiders are casual PvP players and the other way arround. Stop making Casual a "bad" thing, coz it is NOT casual is just a word that explain you aint giving your whole life to reach a goal in the game, while hardcore players cinda do.
Also ADDONS are NOT needed to succeed the content / raids etc. they for sure makes it easyer, but it is NOT needed!
And then as a last comment, this is an MMO game = you play with other players and depend on others, witch is why you gotta look yourself in the mirror and say AM I CASUAL or HARDCORE??
Can i archieve raiding with my commitment or no? if you cant STOP trying jees, just live with the fact that you dont want to invest the time it takes to complete that content and go do what you enjoy within the games and if you dont enjoy the game change game just like most hardcore players have done so far.!
There's an add on that tells you what to do in response to boss mechanics…… Why even play if it's not your skill doing it.
After watching this my take away is all mods and add on's should be treated like hacks and cause people to be banned for using them.
The Idk and idc group gets their stuff done with Free to Play. You go in and can do the same stuff without Paying a Sub, there is nothing you cant really do besides Raiding, but who cares for that. After that you remember how bad the Game is and delete it again 😂
Man, I've felt this same way for years!
Saw this video on Asmongold’s stream – I started playing WoW abt 7 months ago or so. I felt EVERYTHING you said. I felt alone in this; now I don’t. But…I’m not sure Blizzard cares about us New Players. That sense of wonder is still something I feel though, thankfully. Subscribed to your channel – thank you for the hard work you put into this video.
You hover over the the legendary in your legendary list in the dungeon journal/adventure guide and it tells you exactly where to find each shadowlands legendary memory. ez
no friends + paid sub + the story line is shafted like every other mmo
This is a complete list of reasons why i quit WOW, simply unable to keep up timewise, getting kicked from the raids.
Great video mate
Heavily underrated video…
Awesome job!
So you don't know where to start, you don't want to ask for help and you expect everyone else who also has time constraints in some form or another to teach you without you doing any research yourself, got it, everyone needs to cater to you.
Holy shit. Finally someone explained. I went back to the game in 2020, when a friend convinced me to play retail and leave classic. Worst decision ever. I didnt understood the game and got bored in a week. Went back to classic levelling. Just casual things.
I used to be a hard core player, played wow from before the very beginning, namely from the beta testing of vanilla… but then, 4 years ago, I moved to the sun and a superb climate and my irl changed. I don’t do raids anymore, because I don’t want to be stuck at the pc for several evenings a week. Gradually, I had less and less fun and came to the conclusion that wow is not for me anymore for all the reasons that you give. Too competitive, too repetitive and I had enough of those irl, I want to relax when gaming, not feeling pressured. I will not buy the next expansion but I have a hard time cancelling my subscription and losing my characters… nostalgia probably… but I will eventually. I discovered final fantasy 14, it suits my irl better and is fun in between.
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Came to this video a year+ late finding it on Asmongold's channel via random YT suggestion. And, to be blunt, your video IS SPOT ON. My spouse and I played Classic WoW (when classic wow was… only classic wow, no expansions yet) after playing many other classic MMOs of the past. We quit classic Wow, playing as a duo, in our low level 50s when a group began to be required to even complete basic quests.
We came back years later in the middle of the Wrath era, joined a newer raiding guild looking for players, and they were desperate for (a) members and (b) people who knew their class (yes, this was true even then). However, we told them we wanted to play the content, so we did. Classic, leveling in Burning Crusade until level 73 (and enjoying the content), then… we finally did it, went to Wrath, got to 80 in the first two zones. From there…
Your video begins for us. The systems weren't as complex then, but it was still dungeons, then heroic dungeons, then daily Trial of Champion, then learning the raid mechanics and getting raid specific add-ons (instead of only the ones that fixed problems with the overall game itself, like the bars, buffs, debuffs). By the end of the expansion, we were being picked for 10 and 25 man raids because we'd outclassed many of the others that were available. But… go back to that "having fun" and "content" and "work required to get here". We didn't play for a while after that, came back in BfA, repeated the process here with another new guild, got about halfway through the raids before the guild stalled out. (At least for me personally, one fight where you had to be able to see the full color spectrum made me unable to truly do it… being colorblind.)
My spouse wanted to go back in Dragonflight, we played a month or two, did the research, and said… "we can't do this" (the time and research commitment). So… as others have said, moved on to FF14. Even there, though… we are barely into it due to low time availability as "real life" takes hold.
How do you ruin a game? Having to min max in it to actually play it.
Wish I would have watched this before I wasted 15 years of my life on this game …
Great point about having clicked on this video makes you jump out of the casual space. I really think we need a term like "prosumer" (in between pro and a general consumer) for the gaming space. I generally don't min max, or repeat content to grind RNG, etc. Nor do I compete to be the first in world to do X, Y, or Z. I tend to value immersion and escapism more than effeciency. But does that make me a "casual" gamer when I do, in fact, play games for multiple hours daily, spend an equal amount of time watching videos and engaging in the community and almost every hour beyond that is either spent thinking about games, or actively making them.
I feel like there is a lot of grey area between a person who will buy a new release, play for a weekend or two with friends and then forget about gaming for a few months until the next hot thing on the one hand, and a person who min maxes for the most effecient build in the game and clears all content in the first week on the other.
this video is EXACTLY why wow subs have kept dropping year after year. the game gets more complex instead of more streamlined.
1) bring back the old raid system. keep LFR; get rid of heroic + mythic. just do one raid difficulty like in vanilla/BC.
2) go back to the old raid system of vanilla. you didn't need 40 GOOD players to kill the bosses. you only needed about 25-28, and once they started getting some raid gear, it was more like 18-25 players to kill bosses. the rest could do their best and help some, but if they died, the boss usually still went down anyway. this system LET CASUALS SEE RAIDS WITHOUT KILLING EVERYONE AND FEELING STRESSED AND EMBARRASSED, BECAUSE THEY AREN'T THE ONLY ONES DYING–AND THE BOSS GOES DOWN ANYWAY.
3) make ALL class specs roughly equal, like in ff14. there's no one super amazing tank, healer, or dps class. make them about equal, so people can choose a race, class, and spec based on what feels good to them and looks cool to them. get rid of this meta bullshit.
4) ff14 continues growing because it doesn't lock people out–they want you IN, they want you included, they want you having fun, they want you to have CHOICES that don't really impact your team's success or failure in any meaningful way. scholar can heal, astrologian can heal, sage can heal…they're ALL useful. all tanks and all dps are useful. play what YOU like! this is why ff14 outpaces the shit outta wow now–because ff14 gives you aesthetic choice without sacrificing gameplay, so players don't feel pressured to play a stupid ass "meta".
From 500subs thx Asmongold.
Im a casual, and Ive been playing since Vanilla.
To the point Ive avoided most Raids until I could stomp with over lvled characters, and alted up all the class mounts. So casual.
Edit: okay Shaman and Warrior were boosted to 90/100 bc I just didnt care to slow lvl them, and the boost was "free" with the expansions.
And by hours… I guess Im hardcore, though Ive always thought hardcore = speed lvling BiS consumed raiders.
Note: I DID raid on lvl in Wrath on my DK. And I was steadily top 3dps despite using NO mods, and the old point/click method of playing.
Also… I went back to Classic when Shadowlands came out, and havent returned to retail.
great video.Was wondering if i should come back (stopped at the end of cata) well now im wondering if its worth it
Quick note, you've conjectured the existence of a casual player who is unwilling to spend their limited weekly time on re-leveling different progression paths. But remember that this is a goal-oriented perspective. That is more of a rater thing. The Casual who logs on a few days a week for a few hours at most is usually looking to have fun in that moment. Remember they aren't the ones who care about eventually achieving something. Or keeping up with their friends. It's a leveling through a different progression path, in this case earning reputation with the fairies, would be just as fun as the alternative was.
As a solo player of WoW for the last 15 years….this hit hard. Good on ya, mate!
just came here to sub and like after watching asmon's reaction
I'd like to stand in the defense of the casual player… It may be true that I feel too lost on Modern WoW so I stick to Classic, and I am most familiar with Wrath. In Sholazar Basin you can start the quest chain that would let you choose between two tribes ( it's a very tragic story ;-;) — and this made me think about the segment in this videoclip where… you ( as the player) choose the… faction (?) that grants you different perks. I won't argue for Shadowlands whilst in Wrath you do get to spend time with both tribes so you have that gap there which would in a way let you decide which… vendor items, um… look the prettiest :,) Wish you a pleasant day to anyone who reads this! ^_^
P.S. Just wanted to add that it felt so good when you accidentally walked in on the quest that kicks it off on Wrath and you find out about stuff you might've not figured otherwise.
It's totally not worth trying to get the best gear from the current expansion (unless you are a hardcore enthusiast) because it'll all become obsolete from even moderate gear in the next expansion. The problem is you miss out on the story and cutscenes exclusive to the raid content unless you queue up and wait an hour via the group finder (and even then, you may be dropped into the MIDDLE of the raid) or wait until the next expansion so the level cap and gear strength is raised allowing you to solo the old raids (I had a blast doing IceCrown like this as I totally missed it and really wanted to know how Arthis's story concludes and Deathwing's began).