And you forget that every Delv tier has a recomended minimum item level. and even if your 20 ilvl over it you still get obliterated. And the fact that Blizz is nerfing is proof that they are not balanced yet.
Right now im 584 ilvl and tier 6 is the highest im able to do. Its just frustrating getting keys and struggling through only to get 590 or lower. Feels like every upgrade takes forever and its only by a single point if that.
What people don't realize is that, if delves are too easy then delves become a neccessity to gear for raiders and m+ players, in which case we reach the same issue as torghast. Solo content that is too easy and gives good power becomes a chore rather than gameplay
Challenges are okay to have! I get frutrated too. I can’t pass a 6 solo as my dk on tank or dps right now. I know it’s a skill check and gear check. I just have to be patient and get better. I like the challenge. And then finding how to pass it
deleves were never really going to work, its a cool concept but you cant just make something for lower skill people it ruins the game and makes the community worse off for doing so.
Challenges are okay to have! I get frutrated too. I can’t pass a 6 solo as my dk on tank or dps right now. I know it’s a skill check and gear check. I just have to be patient and get better. I like the challenge. And then finding how to pass it
Delves are designed for people who are not good enough to run m+ or raid and now alot of people are figuring out how bad they really are at the game and its upsetting people. too many players THINK they play well but in reality are in the bottom 5% of players.
Delves are good. I want a solo challenge, and most t8 are hard enough, so you die at least once or twice to make it interesting if you are going to get the loot. Prot warrior to ilvl590 then fury becomes easier. Shaman enchantment is also fun. Raiding/M+ can be fun but its takes alot of time that most of us dont have.
100%. This expansion has been refreshing and extremely fun. My cousin and I have been two manning tier 8+ delves, where every interrupt, every GCD, potion and survival ability MATTERS. It’s really fun to push your character to the absolute limit.
Maybe Delves need to be looked at the same way dungeons are with groups. It should take some time for us solo artists. Its only fair, right? BUT the gear should be decent too.
Delve absolutely dont need to be adjusted, people are trying things thay are too difficult for their item level or skill level.
If an 8 is too hard and your brann or you are one shot the go to the lower level delves to level brann up and increase your item level then an 8 no death run is beyond easy.
Thing is people now days want thay instant gratification and if something is too difficult they bitch until nerfs happen instead of working to improve l.
Imagine a expansion gimic that's suppose to exist tile the end of the expansion was obsolete before the first major patch… now imagine people who are trying to hit its end goal for the expansion before said major patch… this is why M+ is Diablo 3 garbage
I really liked Delves. I think they are fun. The issue I have is being a tank, Grouping up to go through one the enemies are damage sponges and it takes 45 mins.
delves already proved to be better then Torghast or any other side content for that matter. It is a real pillow with potential and the chance to built on it.
Just wanted to say I appreciate your content I've been playing since february 2010 and you always make some great points. There's so many people that want to rush content.
I think they’re fine, you get a group and it takes like 10-15 min to run one tier 8 and you get 616 at the end of the dungeon. They also scale harder so you can push yourself if you want. The group content though trivializes them a bit, which is still fine. If it’s another casual way to gear vs m+ it’s working.
Lots of people get frustrated when they don’t have friends to m+ with or io and then start blaming pugs for being “elitists” when not accepting low io or ilvl characters. But at the end of the day nobody wants to waste time teaching a stranger the game at the expense of their key. Go and socialize that’s what friends and guilds are for.
Your right. But I do think the balance between class’s and specs is kind of crazy. Got to feel for some classes being almost impossible and then you got 550 pally and dk’s face rolling 8+’s 😂
The problem is with gaming specially on wow is that game attracts all the wrong type of gamer's. Their all children. They want it now now now and don't wanna earn anything
Yeah but are they hard? Sure if you do it alone. But if you do it with 5 people, youll get 616 ilvl gear in vault 🤣 same as +5 mythic dungeon. And also 4 times a day. GUARANTEED 603 ILVL item, even a braindead monkey can do it in a group of 5 players. And Once again people who shouldnt be doing even +0 mythic dungeons can get into them without knowing their class, or having any idea aboutt what to do and fuck up other people keystones. Great job Blizzard.
The whole idea of replacing your whole gear and throwing the old parts away feels off for me. I played for exactly 1 expansion, got close to bis raid gear and then was not willing to start all over again.
i would like to queue for the delve then need to physically go over and honestly would like they just keep the scaling consistent and not favour specific classes/specs too
I think what this guy is forgetting, delves is content made for the casual. The solo player. Most solo/casual players are taking it the way it's meant to be played. It's the sweat Lords who are rushing it because there's more gear farming. So once again, this sweaty basement dwellers are destroying the game
I am soloing tier 8s easy enough as unholy dk. Not sure how easy or hard it is for other classes but I have never had so much good gear early on in an expansion because I generally don't have time nor patience to raid. It's challenging to a degree and you have to interrupt and watch how much you pull but that is not hard it's just common sense.
I think that the problem Blizzard is failing to see is that a lot of people want to do all the content in 1 month because they want to move on quickly. They don't want to play wow all year, most of them will not come back for season 2.
I've done tier 10 already with meh Gear on fresh character. Just get good guys
I'm sick if delves. I'm stuck on tier 3 and have done them all at tier 3. I can not progress any further in them. This is BS.
And you forget that every Delv tier has a recomended minimum item level. and even if your 20 ilvl over it you still get obliterated.
And the fact that Blizz is nerfing is proof that they are not balanced yet.
So glad im sitting here waiting 30-45 mins for RAID FINDER AND DUNEGON FINDER 😂, fucking useless blizzard
Y'all having issues soloing it, i find them to be pretty easy
Right now im 584 ilvl and tier 6 is the highest im able to do. Its just frustrating getting keys and struggling through only to get 590 or lower. Feels like every upgrade takes forever and its only by a single point if that.
Just the zoomers playing the game wanting instant rewards with no effort whats new seen this before
What people don't realize is that, if delves are too easy then delves become a neccessity to gear for raiders and m+ players, in which case we reach the same issue as torghast. Solo content that is too easy and gives good power becomes a chore rather than gameplay
Challenges are okay to have!
I get frutrated too. I can’t pass a 6 solo as my dk on tank or dps right now. I know it’s a skill check and gear check. I just have to be patient and get better. I like the challenge. And then finding how to pass it
deleves were never really going to work, its a cool concept but you cant just make something for lower skill people it ruins the game and makes the community worse off for doing so.
Challenges are okay to have!
I get frutrated too. I can’t pass a 6 solo as my dk on tank or dps right now. I know it’s a skill check and gear check. I just have to be patient and get better. I like the challenge. And then finding how to pass it
Delves are designed for people who are not good enough to run m+ or raid and now alot of people are figuring out how bad they really are at the game and its upsetting people. too many players THINK they play well but in reality are in the bottom 5% of players.
Delves are good. I want a solo challenge, and most t8 are hard enough, so you die at least once or twice to make it interesting if you are going to get the loot. Prot warrior to ilvl590 then fury becomes easier. Shaman enchantment is also fun. Raiding/M+ can be fun but its takes alot of time that most of us dont have.
100%. This expansion has been refreshing and extremely fun. My cousin and I have been two manning tier 8+ delves, where every interrupt, every GCD, potion and survival ability MATTERS. It’s really fun to push your character to the absolute limit.
Maybe Delves need to be looked at the same way dungeons are with groups. It should take some time for us solo artists. Its only fair, right? BUT the gear should be decent too.
Delve absolutely dont need to be adjusted, people are trying things thay are too difficult for their item level or skill level.
If an 8 is too hard and your brann or you are one shot the go to the lower level delves to level brann up and increase your item level then an 8 no death run is beyond easy.
Thing is people now days want thay instant gratification and if something is too difficult they bitch until nerfs happen instead of working to improve l.
Imagine a expansion gimic that's suppose to exist tile the end of the expansion was obsolete before the first major patch… now imagine people who are trying to hit its end goal for the expansion before said major patch… this is why M+ is Diablo 3 garbage
I really liked Delves. I think they are fun. The issue I have is being a tank, Grouping up to go through one the enemies are damage sponges and it takes 45 mins.
Whoops, rolled through them 😅
It's Torghast All over again…
I caN't cLeAr eVerYtHinG dAy oNe? NErV BlizZ nOw!
You get oneshot below 575 probably, above that you can still cheese fungal folly for the 616
delves already proved to be better then Torghast or any other side content for that matter. It is a real pillow with potential and the chance to built on it.
T8 delves are kinda easy mode for most of my guild.
I like that i can solo them cause one its challenging and two i can take my time collect everything and enjoy the content
Wait, what? I solod a tier 11 at 603 on an ele shaman… Are you telling me it's not gonna get any harder?
Just wanted to say I appreciate your content I've been playing since february 2010 and you always make some great points. There's so many people that want to rush content.
Delves are very fun and i think they are great to learn more about your class and how you are supposed to play them. At least in the last 3-4 stages
The game is overall little to easy.
Delves are the casuals answers to not being good enough
I think they’re fine, you get a group and it takes like 10-15 min to run one tier 8 and you get 616 at the end of the dungeon. They also scale harder so you can push yourself if you want. The group content though trivializes them a bit, which is still fine. If it’s another casual way to gear vs m+ it’s working.
Lots of people get frustrated when they don’t have friends to m+ with or io and then start blaming pugs for being “elitists” when not accepting low io or ilvl characters. But at the end of the day nobody wants to waste time teaching a stranger the game at the expense of their key. Go and socialize that’s what friends and guilds are for.
Your right. But I do think the balance between class’s and specs is kind of crazy. Got to feel for some classes being almost impossible and then you got 550 pally and dk’s face rolling 8+’s 😂
The problem with delves are that they exist. Bad concept and doesnt fit warcraft at all
I love delves more than mythics. I do 8.s all day and get some nice gear plus you get boe.s for your alts
Damn skippy
The problem is with gaming specially on wow is that game attracts all the wrong type of gamer's. Their all children. They want it now now now and don't wanna earn anything
Yeah but are they hard? Sure if you do it alone. But if you do it with 5 people, youll get 616 ilvl gear in vault 🤣 same as +5 mythic dungeon. And also 4 times a day. GUARANTEED 603 ILVL item, even a braindead monkey can do it in a group of 5 players. And Once again people who shouldnt be doing even +0 mythic dungeons can get into them without knowing their class, or having any idea aboutt what to do and fuck up other people keystones. Great job Blizzard.
What gear
The whole idea of replacing your whole gear and throwing the old parts away feels off for me. I played for exactly 1 expansion, got close to bis raid gear and then was not willing to start all over again.
i would like to queue for the delve then need to physically go over and honestly would like they just keep the scaling consistent and not favour specific classes/specs too
i just started back last week and my question is what gear? i'm doing up to t4 atm and not getting anything other than XP for Brann….
I think what this guy is forgetting, delves is content made for the casual. The solo player. Most solo/casual players are taking it the way it's meant to be played. It's the sweat Lords who are rushing it because there's more gear farming. So once again, this sweaty basement dwellers are destroying the game
I am soloing tier 8s easy enough as unholy dk. Not sure how easy or hard it is for other classes but I have never had so much good gear early on in an expansion because I generally don't have time nor patience to raid. It's challenging to a degree and you have to interrupt and watch how much you pull but that is not hard it's just common sense.
Its 10 time faster and easy in a party of 5 man…
There are ppl with keystone master and the diamond mech. Those people need a psychiatric evaluation, that's the standard we are at now
They are so boring
I actually like the idea of these mini dungeons that can be adjustable in difficulty
I think that the problem Blizzard is failing to see is that a lot of people want to do all the content in 1 month because they want to move on quickly. They don't want to play wow all year, most of them will not come back for season 2.
Returned to wow bc of them and its really cool to not have to go through m+
it's easy as fuck I did 4 yesterday on 8 on my 582 sham