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Welcome back to MarcelianOnline! Today, we’re tackling some of the takes Asmongold had in regards to retail wow and see if there is actually some validity to his claims.
WoW in 2024 is definitely becoming a hot topic for a lot of folks and the conversation seems to revolve around the fact that most of the end game is catered to the so called 1%. Asmongold is no stranger to voicing out his opinion and to some extent, he’s right. Let’s dig in!
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Some changes that is needed for mythic raiding imo:
Increse amounts of drops and buff say trinket drops, killing the boss 30 times and not seeing one trinket is baaad.
Also after a certain amount of weeks when mythic opens up for cross server. Make it so you can do the Bosses multiple times, only get loot once per week ofc, but killing One boss in a random group on a Sunday, watching the group crumble then now not be able to kill more bosses that week becaus u cant get a full group going again, is not fun.. make it like lfr/normal/heroic, you can join any raid but ofc only get loot nice like them also, would open up lore potential for groups forcing and people playing
you have normal and hc, i think a game should have a higher difficulty for that 1%, Why? because a game should be for every one to enjoy that's why you have more difficulties, i enjoy playing for hc raid and a few mythic in every season, because i play with friends and i enjoy the game everyone are crying cause mythic it's to hard, well it's easy don't do mythic it's not mandatory at this point, whan can i agree its loot system, leggo system and affixes
Í think Xaryu is right. WoW will never be back to Wotlk numbers regardless of what solutions you do. So 'saving wow' is a bit of a tough term; I think regardless of how good you make it it will never be much bigger than it is now. Young people just dont dig MMO's like this anymore on a scale of what it was 20 years back.
Going into what Asmon said: I think his solutions are a bit overdoing it. 40 man raids is not it, and I think bringing all specs down to 10 buttons is maybe a bit too much. But the big lines of what he says: Make the game more accessible, nerf the need for addons, nerf the amount of buttons and make it more fun and less sweaty, that I can 100% agree with.
I honestly think add ons are detracting from the game
What is the addon for this extra paladin "combo" bar ?
Much more players play HC, that even attempt single boss on Mythic – that is correct.
But saying that Mythic is designed for 1% and is to hard or badly designed, is taking it bit to far – I don't agree with Asmon.
I used to raid Mythic raids. I rarely killed last boss, usually finishing season 1-2 bosses short.
In the end my guild disband, and the ones I found were just toxic trash – I gave up on Mythic and joined my friends guild who do stop at AotC.
Half of those people do now M+20, they are more than capable for doing Mythic Raiding – what stops them is purely unflexible format of Mythic Raids.
Should Mythic Raid be flex or not – it's entire discussion and I'm not sure what side I would be on.
But my point is, that disparity IMO comes not from difficulty, that there is Drop Off at Mythic, but because how Norm and HC are much more approachable by much more groups/guilds because flexible roster size.
Mythic is literally impossible without add-ons that aren't even part of the game. That alone says the fights are simply too hard. I would love to see everyone up in arms about Asmon's takes disable their add-ons and do mythic and mythic plus live. Let's see how the 1% are superior to others with just skill. Something tells me though, they've relied on them for too long. This isn't a rant, this is an observation of how ridiculous this argument people have is. You want to prove mythic is easy or mythic plus? Simply disable add-ons and show everyone.
Love the video and logical perspective btw. Subbed.
What is your D4 channel called?
i wouldnt listen to asmon, he doesnt even play the game and has not for a long time, the game just doesnt matter to him anymore,
I can only talk for myself…. I don't raid not because I think raids are not fun. I prefer M+ over raids because 5-man content fits more for me after 30+. No need to align 20 ppl, no fixed playing hours.
Not sure if i am an exception, but i am a gamer who play WoW only a few hours a few nights per week. I enjoy both Mythic+ going for 3k rating or so each season and getting as far as possible into mythic each raid with only 3 hours of raiding per week, i am perfectly fine with how it is now. Can it be better? Sure, but its already very good imo
Cringe clickbait title, off to find another content creator lol. The game doesn’t revolve around asmongold
And try getting invite to HC raid group .. Killed the game for me , with 2 Ilvl under
The problem is that the game is designed around addons. Try raiding without DMB or Big Wings, I dare you
for all the people who say they feel wow like another job, i tried to debate that point but thinking about it yall are right. Even i, a M+ enjoyer who spent a huge amount of time going into those runs with 3 diferent characters at +17.. +20 i enjoy 70% of the time, the only thing i hate is RNG, its been way to much time we have dealt with that crap, for example in seasson 1 Frost mage trinkets where massive trash but those of the raid and only ONE on M+, i farmed the Nokhud feather like an adict the whole seasson and never got one, it just feels absolutely demoralasing and frustrating to stay below for that 2-3% extra dps on 1 item.
So for me if they remove the RNG it would be an absolute win, they have made gearing up a lot easier than before, i dont want them to ''give'' me the item but allow us to.. idk destroy an item we dont need and get a coin we can exchange for a specific item, so if i run 5 Nokhud i will be able to buy that item and run OTHER M+ just for fun and not cause i need that single item…
For all else i found DF trully fun, alts are great, gold making is great, professions have never been so usefull, dragon riding is the best thing ever. The lore is quite meh, i wanted to see the dragons kicking some ass (like Wrathion in Nyalotha) but as ussual they all got the Magni threathment
Hope u all have a great day fellas
Short version: Asmon's a useless creep and there's nothing he has to add that isn't available from better people.
Gate keeping is becoming more prevalent as a solo player who isnt in a guild….im ilvl 465 and i cant even get into a pre made group for heroic raid half the time 😂 i wanted to climb and felt like i got pretty high this patch, but im tired of running dungeons and wanted to raid, but it is nearly impossible to get into anything….i do the raid finder once a week just so i can get my vault progression but it's definitely annoying and not fun.
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When i raided hardcore back in TBC and Lich King a very small % cleared sunwell before it got nerfed. Been like this for a longtime cant se anything wrong with it. Just need more raids instead of harder difficulty. Was alot more funn when there was 1 raid on normal only then harder raids came out during the expansion so you had diffrent fights and new experience rather then the same crap over and over but on diffrent modes
The raid and mythic+ engagement numbers are not accurate at all. Everyone who is raiding and doing mythic+ are doing it on multiple toons because its so easy to level and gear alts. How do I know this? Because I have like 10 alts myself and all on different guilds because I like to branch out, and everyone in all those guild have at least 5+ toons that they play regularly because you can just hop into mythic+ and raiding very easily.
You know why Classic is so much fun and popular? IT'S EASY…. WoW was once a very simple MMO compared to others at the time it came out.. Since then Blizzard has tried so hard to make this a competitive game. Just make the game easy – who cares if a bunch of people have the gear or mounts. Yes that is fun!
awesome video! you bring some great points. i havent played WoW since mists of pandaria, i genuinely love the game, all this stuff is kinda just discouraging me from getting back into it. is the game still fun if you don't care about mythic+ raiding, or is it not even worth trying without the raids?
I chuckle everytime I saw comments defending retail WoW raid design they are the reason for their own demise. Not only that now the others mmo are better the OLDER version of the game is more popular than retail.
Im glad someone else is saying it. Keys shouldnt deplete. If you can freely lower a key at anytime. Then if its too hard you can lower it yourself. And if you want to say it should deplete above a 20 then whatever. But for people just trying to get a key done for the weel with random people ot makes no sense. You already wasted 30 minutes or however long it took. Thats already punishment enough. Nobody wants to do a 19. Just to do a 20. Just seems like you are now wasting even more time.
They should keep it simple, just N, HC or M gear. No upgrades or crest.
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When I said on reddit I cant play shit because the game is too punishing and time consuming for a person with a full time job I got bullied. How the tables have turned.
so much glazing clean your lips..
Max and Qwik are not WoW gamers. They are gamers that not only play WoW at a very high level, but also play other games. Qwik plays a lot of d4 and Max is big into Apex legends. So based on your views here, Max and Qwik opinions are just as “valid” as asmongolds.
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Asmon has scored those parses with guild help and gear funneling. Yes, he was still a great player, but what you are seeing there is just chasing ranks. I know, cause I did it too.
Those logs are only useful to see positioning and how CDs are used, when, who took unneeded damage and so on. The percentiles are useless, especially for top end guilds where everyone executes well and kills become super streamlined, and a few star players get to cheese the meters after the first kill.
If you think you are special because you killed a boss in a video game using 10 thousand addons then you should try stand up comedy. That joke will make you rich.