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Rogues have issues, today we look and breakdown exactly how much rogues need changes. Without them, rogues will struggle the whole of Shadowlands
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Sorry for the long video, It was time to complain
Thank you for saying all this. I just started playing a DK which it’s just insulting how easy n op the DK or Hunter is over a rogue. It really pisses me off how there’s no benefit playing a hard class.
allready had my rl in my ear who is constanly asking if i want to reroll boomkin. if assa is ahead of the pak again i see that coming lul
why raid anyways
Maybe people are generally just bad around me, but as outlaw I'm always in the top 3 DPS on every raid boss except like 1 or 2 LOL. maybe the difference is more obvious on Mythic raiding. Even if you don't burst well at the start, if a fight goes on long enough and you don't miss your rotation, outlaw always climbs to the top. I regularly smash on my guilds DK's and hunters. it makes them pretty upset. Your only hope is to find a guild with some good friends, because pugs are pretty rough, even if you can basically keep up with DPS and know your class, have done more key runs…people aren't wanting to take rogues on anything pass a 10 right now.
I've been saying the smokebomb thing since DH's introduction.
I would LOVE the line of sight bonus but would be ok if they just copy dh darkness at this point
Where the fuck are Rogues Bad?
i definately understand your points in the video, but i feel like these things apply to higher ranked guilds primairly.
we just managed to kill HC sire the 10th january meaning we are in top 2000 EU on progress, being a sub rogue i am still in the top of performance compared to all other classes even though they still perform very well with 80-85+ parses on logs.
my biggest concern with rogue spec right now, is that it looks like outlaw is "better" in all situations, which is just wrong… sub/assa should be better in single target while outlaw being the cleave spec.
I'm full on the Smokebomb train. When I started to see and grasp the Dungeon Layout/Design BLizzard is now going for Shroud is just basically dead. Give us Smokebomb or a Raidbuff like 5% crit I think we used to have through Honor among thieves?
Considering to switch to Hunter. As he said, there's simply not enough melee slots available and Rogue is not doing that grad. Being benched for progress just for being Rogue sucks.
bringing a rog has nothing to do with rogue being good more that your ranged are terrible
Shroud should give a 10% increased damage buff for all allies for 10 seconds after it fades away if you use it on 6 allies or more. Bring back honour among thieves or something similar where damage of all rogues is increased when there are more than one.
I agree with you, I don't like the gimmicky theme of outlaw but the gameplay isn't so bad. I mained rogue for sub but it's not even top dps.
As a rogue ive now been dropped from progression. very frustrating.
Sad but True… i play rog for 12 years and every year it gets worser and worser. Idk why they dont rework the rog und give him a Raid specc. a Real raidspecc.
mate with you 100%, sad times may have to reroll which is a shame as I love this class
you're just straight-up wrong considering m+, outlaw/sub are currently two of the highest rated melee speccs in the game. Like, i know you rogue players always shit your pants the second you aren't 100% dominating every type of content in existence but you really need to check up on these things before putting out a video giving people an absolutely wrong perception, you'll make it THAT much harder for melees (rogues in this case) to get into m+ groups.
I enjoyed your thoughs alot!
I already dropped my Sub rogue like 2 weeks ago. It's bad.
I'm considering quiting rogue. Fact is, too much work and rotation management for mediocre or often less dps than everyone else. We bring NOTHING and NO utility to a raid or mythic plus. I don't blame others for not taking me. Blizz needs to massively buff rogues across the boards. They effectively made the outlaw spec worthless utility wise and excessively difficult to play rotation wise.
Playing Venthyr Rogue made me feel gimped af. If you cared at all about your damage then you would probably be taking flagellation off your action bar as a Sub Rogue because it's on the gcd, and doesn't do more damage than most of your damaging abilities.
It's like your action bar is a wardrobe of weapons, shadow strike is like the family's passed down m1 carbine from WW2 named "good ol reliable", meanwhile you might have flagellation on your action bar… And it would show up as that broken squirt gun no one wanted in the middle school during water day, and you might get the gun to work.. but you would be better off using a real weapon.
Thank you man for speaking about the issue of rogues, sincerely all the points you mentioned are very much valid and as an assassination rogue now it is the worst time for me in the game where I decided to level my warlock and paladin for change since it is very frustrating to find a solid group where they are interested in having a rogue. I hope blizzard fix the state.
I've definitely considered swapping mains because of the state of rogue, it's wild to think that nearly every melee class does bring some sort of raid defensive/cooldown or buff.
While rogue will always have an spec that excels at AOE, and one that excels at ST, and one that gets left on the back burner.
For whatever reason rogue always seems to have a bad spec for every season, which is fine hypothetically, if the others were actually top contenders for high end content.
Love the vids man as always. Keep up the good fight. 💪
Really great video. Have been playing rogue for 13 years and this is the first time I've lost my Mythic raid spot due to class. Feels bad man.
i really like the idea of a version of Smoke Bomb baseline. I'd also like to see a version of Honor Among Thieves baseline
We can thank PVP for making Blizzard thinking we should be nerfed. They F****ed us in raid
Regarding Sub, perhaps adding a bleed effect to Black Powder would help our cleave in PVE without affecting the PVP balancing?
I'm happy to play assa or sub…. Just because of class fantasy
If assi suck I will play my warlock as main and will have my dh as alt and I will delete my rogue and never play it again even if I have a lot of mythic kills and a nr 7 best gear rogue back in legion
They need to fix rogue damage. it's very lackluster in raids. It's the only thing that rogues can bring to the table every since then… DAMAGE. Just make the class S tier. They might as well delete the class so we're forced to reroll to a different one. I just don't understand how a pure DPS class can be so bad.
Couldn't agree more to the points you made! Being middle of the pack in every dps scenario is just frustrating as hell. It's even worse for me because I hate outlaw with a passion, so this isn't an option for me. Assa just doesn't feel the way it used to be in bfa without shrouded suffocation so this leaves me with sub which plays nice but just hasn't the damage it needs 🙁
On the beta rogues had insane damage w/ bone spike, but no raid cd or utility. This balanced out, but when blizz started "balancing" covent abilities i.e. nerfing them into the ground, rogues lost then only reason they had to be brought to raid.