Why Sub Rogue Is BROKEN In Shadowlands PvP



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17 thoughts on “Why Sub Rogue Is BROKEN In Shadowlands PvP”

  1. Cdew was absolutely right when he said in older expansions you actually had to do stuff for your goes whereas nowadays in SL your goes are so free and typically literally only consist of 3 things: cheapshot, shadowstrike, & eviscerate. (& this goes for some other specs too unfortunately)

    – Sub in its older iterations used to be encouraged to set up our rotation/damage in preparation for the go by having the foresight to get our finishers up at a good time for our damage + our finisher's felt more rewarding. Slice & Dice up for energy regen / attack speed, & getting Rupture up for the damage + passive that made us do more damage to bleeded targets.
    – Sub in Shadowlands, our finisher's are weaker iterations now (energy regen on Slice isn't as good, & Rupture does even less dmg now & doesn't provide passive dmg increase to bleeded targets), and we don't even have to press them anymore (Slice is passively applied through Premeditation's rework/return in SL, & Rupture doesn't do anything anymore)

    Then there's Multi-Dance charges, ever since they made it have multi-charges in Legion, it has done 2 things:
    1) Devalue the idea of setting up / not wasting Dance, since we can just throw Dances left & right now.
    2) Somewhat directly is the reason that we lost fun, class-defining utility such as Gouge/Garrote. Having Gouge/Garrote + the aforementioned finishers was the reason Sub was useful outside of Go's/Dance — From Legion to Now, the removal of these + introduction of Multi-Dances has made us essentially just a cheap-shot bot. Outside of blind goes, its literally just cheapshot/shadowstrike/eviscerate repeat.
    These are main reason's Sub has lost its touch & doesn't totally provide the same fun/skilled experience it used to.

    Nothing against ppl who enjoy retail or its designs, I have many friends who enjoy retail and/or enjoy tbcc.
    — However this is the reason I enjoy TBCC and will love WOTLKC when it comes out — I love the oldschool authentic look/feel you get from these older xpacs & the class-designs/tempo in ways feels more complex & rewarding.

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  2. Sub rogue definitely ain't broken it's the mage that carrys the dmg cc is all up to the mage id say mages are broken maybe with the new trinket it could be haven't tried them yet

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