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Today we continue our analysis of World of Warcraft’s most recently completed season, covering the overall trend in raid participation from Nighthold to the present day. Unfortunately, it appears that raiding is at an all time low, at least as far as the publicly available numbers suggest. Still, with Dragonflight doing away with many of the issues that caused these numbers, there is reason for cautious optimism.
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00:00 The State of WoW
03:00 Normal Mode Analysed
07:24 Heroic Mode Analysed
10:22 How Did This Happen?
13L36 Classic VS Modern
16:32 My Opinion…
18:00 Hope For The Future
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Curious why The Nighthold is the earliest raid you used data from, would have liked to see the numbers from MoP into WoD, and WoD into Legion as well for more context.
Its funny how these dev seems to forget that it all ultimately falls down to the fans to fund the game and if you treat them like shit then they leave.
For me my guild, Black Cell Faction, fell apart during Legion. It was created in TBC and lasted until then thanks to the amateur hardcore feeling you got where folks liked testing themselves, but it was rather laid back. We always struggled at the beginning of the expansion, but towards the end we were killing the final boss with many, many attempts.
What did our guild in was a good chunk of our raiders deciding that getting half way through mythic Nighthold, but not making progress on that Astrologer boss, meant they could do better elsewhere and just left. A couple weeks later the guild leaders decided it wasn't worth the effort to keep going and that was that. I was in that guild for 10 years, met one of my longest friends, and girlfriend that became an ex though we're still friends, and was a place to call home, and when my home life was depressing and suicidal it was my escape. To this day I miss the constant conversations and being that negative guy that made fun of himself more than anyone could throw shade my way.
Eventually I moved servers as a friend had a guild that needed help, but I got a job and couldn't do it. From then on I've been guildless. I've been meaning to headback to Crushridge to my OG guild (Undead and Fabulous) and maybe have some social interaction again.
Issues would be resolved if your main unlocked everything for your alts. I’m having fun now with the changes they made. I wish they did the same with rep. I agree that all the grinding made me bored quick. It did feel like a second job and my only reason for logging was to do the daily grind. I left for a year and came back. Now I’m having fun leveling alts and gearing them up completely ignoring rep grinds. Much more fun now. Let’s see how they handle dragonflight. Let’s not also forget the sexual harassment issue they were having
my personal reason for not raiding is that i dislike the lore for this expansion
Go woke, go broke! Not even cancel culture people just naturally get turned off
Remove monthly $ if you want more players.
Moved on to Warhammer and am more fulfilled by it with lore that isn’t screwed with as much.
The game just started to feel like a chore during Shadowlands, the most fun I had during the expansion was Mount Runs
Go to ffiv
You can accomplish this all guildless. You're using spoiled data to prove a point that doesn't exist.
I have been playing for, what feels like, forever and would normally pre-order expansions as soon as possible. I haven't bothered for this new expansion and might just stop playing. I have not found a single report of new features that have excited me in fact my impressions are here is just another opportunity to waste my time and pick my pockets whilst lazy old Bliz continue to do feck all for huge rewards.
One thing that really bugged for years is the difference between rewards for folk who play different aspects of the game: raiders/ elite guilds / pvpers / pve'ers. I just pve with my guild because I am old and busy and the same is true of my guildies. So we do what we can and yet those of us with enough time get the best gear long, long before we can and at higher levels than we can hope to earn. I pay the same cash as everyone else and whilst I do not worry about folks getting gear before me, obviously inevitable, I do get pissed that I will never see end game material or gear equivalent to Raiders. To me this indicates that WoW is made just for elite guilds and frankly I am sick of paying over my money only to feel immensely limited and frustrated. I do not mind a grind as long as it gives me something meaningful like a higher piece of gear than I might already have earned.
Sorry for moaning.
Thank you Guys for your progs. best Wishes to you n yours.
Nice of you to say some good words about something what got so garbage during the years 🙂 but you are trying to get some positive vibes out of a dog situation.
You know the truth about ppl abandoning wow cuz it got horrible during the years and you are going on because of the daydream that it will get better on the next patch its like an election for presidents only promises and promises 🙂 keep up the good vibe dream on
that's why i left!!!!!!!!
The game got screwed up when they did the level squish. They should have just halved the XP required to reach new level.
Lol dragon flight is going to fail because there is no casual content and reward because they listened to raidloggers xD
The problem is that there are too many systems in place that force you to play the game if you want to even be remotely optimal. Older expansions had one time grinds and then grinds tied directly to the raids so were doing it as your raided and as you needed. None of this grinding out power where full time professionals have to treat this game as a second job to play. I will not be coming back to WoW unless they make raiding more "working professional" friendly. WoD was my favorite expansion since WotLK because I only needed to play when it was time for my guild to raid mythic. WotLK > WoD > Legion (top tier raiding, but way too much grinding) > MoP (fun raiding, just the right amount of grind) > SL/ BFA (both had way too much grinding involved)
Blizzard's downfall makes me happy.
Thing is wow is just an expansion or trailer away from getting all the player back. That is the reality no matter how much ffxiv andies or other mmo communitys wanna cope about it. Wow players never quit, they just take breaks, no matter what blizzard does the fact that wow will be the most popular mmo will always hold true unless ashes or riot mmo is absolutly amazing but even then they will have to compete with over 15 years of wow content and mass addiction that will never go away. This is just the reality. Wow will always be the king of mmos. And I say all this even tho I "quit" wow for lost ark I will obv be coming back for dragonflight because of reasons stated above. We are all so easy.
I remember playing WoW. It was decent for a while. Then the grind started to wear on me, and I stopped finding quests interesting, and I got stomped flat like six times trying to get up one fucking hill. Then I decided it was more annoying than fun to play.
This was just before Mists of Pandaria, I think.
I just picked up GW2… I may never go back to WoW…
I stopped playing WoW when cata came out. I did not want to spoil all the unique abilities and things i grew up with playing warcraft III. And looking now I am glad I made that move. Real WoW died with Arthas.
At the same time after leaving WoW I played age of conan, and man was that game fun. People still play it today but I think it's Pop is like 800 players at most or so. Probably the only MMO game that was unique in itself I miss it but probably not worth playing again with low pop.
Lol – I saw that DF dungeon and I was like "looks like any other" XD
The biggest hit I had played WoW, which basically crippled my Classic experience, was my guild breaking apart due to everything goin on at Blizzard. Folks lost interest and then moved on to different games and I was basically left to solo level for ages. Never got to experience most of the dungeons and haven't done a single raid in classic yet. Most guilds are already so full or so gate kept that it's really difficult to get into them anymore.
Not that one can deny the pattern this paints, but it is interesting that the start of the raiding-decline correlates so with the entry of M+ as a part of the game. I know I for one have barely touched raiding since legion up untill S3 of SL, however been a steady part of the m+ community.
Too bad the Blizzard development team can't design anything but raids….
Legion times will never come again…. wish I played more back in Legion…..
I'd rather have monkey pox than play retail
WoW never did anything to improve PvP and solo queues for casual players. I have no interest in guilds or massive time sinks. I'm not interested in spending hours and hours in sessions just to get something done
They added so many systems that even with external sources, it was awful to read and understand. Too much time in the sim Que since ilvl wasn’t a good predictor of power. The trinkets were dumb
The game started to feel like a second job. BFA and Legion felt kinda same but Legion was a bit forgiving. For me this game is not pleasurable anymore. In the past after work i was enjoying the game and was playing to relax.
Don't be terrified, it's just the end of a game. In my opinion Blizzard took a crotch-shot when the moderators of a failing game turned out to be misogynists frat-boys rubbing shoulders with Epstein. Bye Warcraft, bye Blizzard, bye Bobby.
funny how he can make a 20 min video and only go over the points that fit his argument and doesnt analyze mythic….views are views i guess
Quitting after 9.0 was my 4th total time quitting WOW lol. Personally, I love the grinding. Getting progress for my inputs is what makes me enjoy MMORPG's. It's only the re-goalposting through more and new systems that keeps pushing me back out. Artifacts or azerite armor or essences or corruptions or legendaries or covenants could have just been something to grind up and have and to use once you got them, but they're always mostly obsolete in weeks or completely obsolete in months by the next patch. I always want to like you WoW! Oh well, at least every time I've quit wow my OSRS account has been in exactly the same place 🙂
I walked when the lore stopped being internally consistent. That affected the type and theme of content we received.
WoW is diying and Riot`s mmorpg is going to be the final nail in the coffin
Another video of elderly man Bellular relishing in other's attention to negativity and milking it for views. I get it, something dying, brings more attention, than something thriving… After all, this video brought nothing new into my life, nor did it change my opinions on WoW as a whole.
The grinding in wow has been worse the last two expansions than it ever has before.
Gee ya think for an 18 y/o game?
Blizzard has a solution though. Keep making the same shit content but bring it to consoles to support their shit gameplay for longer.
I might buy the new expansion a couple of months after it is out. I have zero faith they can make a good expansion, so far nothing has changed my mind.
It doesn't help that most YouTubers destroy WOW almost on a daily basis. Not saying it wasn't justified, but still.
I like you always avoid the class imbalance with the melee favoritism.
The comment section is depressing to read.. any positive comments?
Coming from classics – The biggest problem is the "modern" combat mechanics – class combat rotations feel clunky and some specs feel like a "dot" class even though they are not.
But who am I kidding, this has been ongoing for atleast 7 years, there will be no change.