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While mike was having some lunch, he mused on the continuing lack of interest in WoW at the moment and the possible permanent effect that Shadowlands may have had on the playerbase as they branch out into other games.
Honestly I don't even think Dragonflight is that good. All they did was get rid of stuff people hate and got loads of applause for it from dissatisfied veterans. The truth is there is a clear lack of content outside of raid, mythic+ and PvP. It does not justify the sub fee at all, and is even less attractive to potential new players
My personal final coffinnail was the lawsuit. Fucking molesters…
I for one know that shadowlands murdered me, the only fun was during the blizzard trials.
DF is the same shit sadly.
It's just not fun grinding gear only for it go become Irrelevant 6 months later, very boring
I feel like it’s a mistake to begin with. You shouldn’t invest yourself into something to the point it becomes the only thing you do. It’s a game at the end of the day if you don’t enjoy it play something else. Until it’s good again. Just enjoy the time you have with it. Because wow will be gone forever someday.
The blatant time-gating during the whole expansion made me realize they only cared about maintaining people subscribed, it reached its peak during Chains of Domination where I just quit the game and haven't touched since, even after the "Please come back" patch that took those time-gating down because I knew it was gonna be the same on the next patch and I was right.
Ive always played other MMOs but wow was the main one for me, until shadowlands.
I recognize dragonflight as a good expansion.
I just can't seen to play wow for more than an hour before I find anything else to do. 🤷♂️
2 pathetic expansions in a row. Yup.
World of Warcraft: 2003-2023. The game is dead now. It passed through the shadowlands. What exists is a farce: A shadow of it's former self. I was loyal since the start until SL. I never went back and that was a great decision as there is much better out there.
BFA was the final straw for me. Beat the first raid and left
Shadowlands definitely did shatter my interest in WoW, I did like the world design of SL it was like a little bit of everything in on package, but the story behind Shadowlands was just terrible.
However as of 2 weeks ago I quit WoW, I played around on Dragon flight for a bit then called it quits, the community I was part of hit the nail on the coffin for me as it became so, lack luster, as well as many of my friends leaving, and many I thought to be friends turned bitter, which in turn, made me toxic towards them, that's when I knew I had to quit , those friends I still have on WoW I love them, and my adventures with them will forever remain in my mind.
I think he’s right here, I didn’t feel the same hype going into to dragonflight as I have for wow expansions normally and I don’t feel that draw to come and play regularly it’s just like bleh
Yeah Shadowlands was last straw for me with WoW, still tho like to follow what happens in the game and cutscenes are still some of the best in the industry so Youtube is friend to watch the story
Quitting during Shadowlands freed my time and I was able to not only play and appreciate other MMO's but video games in general. The amount of games I played and completed after quitting is huge. I came back for Dragonflight and I'm having fun mainly because there's no mandatory asinine grind.
i used to apply leaves and hit level cap every wow expansion….
i just stop playing wow and watching wow content after the first patch of shadowland….
Not just wow, it hurt entire blizzard for me. I will never play blizzard game ever in my life
9.0 was a real highlight for me. Lost my job during COVID and wanted to lay low for a while. The game offered some solace at that point – kept me socially active and structured. By the end of 9.1 I was back working and was so frustrated and disenchanted with the game and my guild. I got out then and haven't been unable to feel that spark again since. There's a part of me that wishes I felt as excited for the game as I used to, but I just cannot seem to manifest it anymore.
Dragonflight deserves praise so far, but unfortunately too many people have been scarred by shadowlands to really give a fuck anymore 🙁 I sincerely hope the best for the game for whoever still plays it
Shadowlands definitely did a LOT of damage, but so did BfA.
I'd been playing since a few months after EU release of Vanilla when I was barely old enough to, and BfA broke the spell on me. Until then, I had never taken a deliberate or prolonged break from the game…and I just quit cold turkey and went to Final Fantasy. BfA took almost all the things I liked about Legion, got rid of them and replaced them with worse things.
That's true for me. I've struggled through most of BFA, wasn't even interesting in raids already, but Nzoth patch and Shadowlands announcement were exactly where I realized I couldn't take it anymore. 15 years of playing, bought all collectors from Vanilla to BFA, hardcore raiding all the way until Legion. Don't plan ever coming back.
I heard about Dragonflight being a good attempt to unfuck the game, but I guess I'm gone already, too spoiled by GW2's systems and respect for my time. The expansion has literally nothing new to interest me and I'm done with selling a fix to what was broken in previous expansions sold to me as a big new thing.
And last but not least, I know that people who made the WoW I used to love simply don't work at Blizzard anymore. If I would want a good game, I'd rather follow them.
P. S. This 'a day in life in different MMOs' is a very interesting idea, looking forward to it.
BfA and Shadowlands were so damn bad it broke my bubble.
They (blizzard) have betrayed my trust and they won't get that trust back anytime soon…
I like to look back at the good years of Warcraft (even as far back as warcraft 1,2, and 3), but WoW will never come back.
I miss the old blizzard, who at least put time and effort into THEIR game(s).
I have tried going back to WoW but now there is so many things that I do not like anymore compared to FF14.
The biggest issue for me is probably the ability to play any class without having to get on another character and I actually prefer the combat system in FF14 now.
Also I meet alot more nice people in FF14 compared to wow where I felt like I just play for myself because Im not on the level of skill where I could do the things I want.
Never really felt this way before, but the last time I logged in was when the trading post came out so I did that and instantly felt burned out again so I guess my wow days are just over.
This isn't as profound as you seem to think it is. Its self-selecting. The people who enjoy WoW have gone to other content creators who are actively playing WoW. You made it clear that you were more or less done with the game. I personally haven't watched more than a handful of your videos since then.
can confirm before shadow lands even when i wasn't playing the game i always watched lore videos and other stuff about wow but after shadowlands my interest on anything from wow went to 0 i stopped watching 99% of the videos and no matter what comes next in the game till now i stopped caring its like news of a distant tiny country on the other side of the world
It's true for me. I'm glad that Dragonflight seems to be doing right by the fans this time, but after getting away from WoW and realising just how fresh other games feel now I can't go back.
The idea of doing my vault again fills me with dread. I think a lot of that is M+, I genuinely despise how M+ currently works – if they could make that more approachable in a drop in and drop out way it would do wonders for me.
Shadowlands patch 9.1 killed our guild. Half of them went to classic the rest found alternatives. I went to FF14, it gave me everything I wanted and I see no reason to go back
shadowlands was the first xpack i bought and didnt even last 4 weeks… didnt even pre order dragonflight
I think asking your viewers is the wrong move. Many of your hardcore wow-playing viewers left when you started bashing wow nonstop on your streams. Shadowlands hurt wow for sure, but not permanently depending on what blizzard does next. Combat in wow is still the best out of any MMO.
I left for SL and a good portion of the end of BFA. I'm back now and I'm so sad that so many will never come back. I understand why. I get it. This expansion is really truly a good expansion and it's a shame that it came to this
It was for me, I stopped and for lack of wanting something to do I restarted playing GW2 again and the horizontal progression was such a refreshing feeling that I'm never going back to WoW again. F that treadmill!
For me, I came back, but I barely play. Dragonflight was fun but…idk. I think the relentless pursuit of difficulty involving ridiculous raid mechanics that ppl use addons to solve, combined with the difficulty of even finding a raid group because the ingame guild finder is so trash, really did me in. Like even if I wanted to play, there's so many hurdles involved that don't involve playing that it's offputting
I've found that when logging into GW2 you need some sort of general plan of what you want to do since there are SO MANY things you can do that it would paralyze most people with the sheer scope of freedom of choice that they have.
I still think MMOs are mostly social games so you play whatever your friends are playing. Most people I know stopped around Shadowlands to try other games and never went back which makes it harder to find a reason to go back as well
True. Shadowlands was an empty loveless shell of a once amazing game. I have a hard time believing that Dragonflight can be good and I haven't played it.
For me it was BFA that made me think of quitting. It is a shame because for all the problems Legion had from story PoV it felt great. It made me feel like a Warlock.
In the meantime they are letting Warlocks do the orc heritage armor which, as a class, it is the opposite of what the NPCs are talking about. It breaks immersion, it throws any consequence of you choosing a class that, essentially, is a villain, an evil class. Legion achieved to empathize that we are using legion power, legion weapons and the only reason we came to the aid of Azeroth is because they wanted to cleave our world in half. Meanwhile Alexstrasza has no issues with DKs aside of some text instead of banish the DK and have it go its own path. Warlocks have enslaved her for fuck sakes. It is increasingly frustrating.
You have so much potential into creating alternative leveling routes considering the classes. Instead you have them ignore that you are a class that used the corpse of your loved ones. Ignore that this dude in front of you reeks of the same powers that enslaved you. Also, for fuck sakes YOU ARE THE QUEEN. IT IS your job to name someone from the Black Dragonflight. IF IT IS NOT THEN WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN A QUEEN then ?
I have so many problems with DF and the whole quitting class immersion since Legion. Before Legion I didnt knew how good it felt but with Legion it showed how important it is to consider: hmmm, this dude reeks of fel, it is using souls to fuel their power, it is hungring for more power but the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Yeah, I'm just not interested anymore. And while it may be a fair point that Dragonflight is a good expansion, think about where we came from. A realm of the dead, we found out more about the Wraith King, saw Arthas again, saw Garrosh again, fought Sylvanas…. for no payoff. None of it went anywhere while it could have arguably been the most hype expansion, all it mounted to was Sylvanas talking shit about Arthas one last time while everyone looked on…. And from a game with such important setpieces to go into an expansion about just some random fucking dragons…. It really doesn't bring me any hype. They plundered so hard and brought out the most generic expansion, albeit good, that I don't see myself ever visiting WoW again.